Guest Anonymous Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 Chevy 350: http://www.enginefactory.com/chevy.htm Chevy 383: http://www.enginefactory.com/c38.htm Ford 302: http://www.enginefactory.com/mf.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 I don't think they are "Great" prices based on what you are getting. My 383 stroker was $3900 delivered Intake to oilpan with higher quality parts than the list they have at the link, plus I have a FULL roller hydraulic valve train and Aluminum heads. That price also included port matching the intake, screening the block, painting the inside of the block, ARP bolt kit, windage tray, crank scrapper, trap doors in the pan, high volume Mellings pump, Cloyes True Roller timing chain, Clevite77 bearings, C&A ZeroGap rings, Victor Jr. intake, race prepped LT1 rods, Keith Plack Pistons, Isky cam, Kmotion springs.... All I did was drop the carb and distributor on it, Mount the headers & hang the accesories and it was running.... Call around and check crate prices... Mike ------------------ "I will not be a spectator in the sport of life!" mjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 I agree with Mike on this, I think if you look around you can find a better deal with better components. Check out some mags such as "Chevy High Performance", "Car Craft" and "National Dragster". All of them will have advertisements for engine builders, usually with websites, that you can check out. As far as the Ford 351W, I know you can do better than their given price. A great place to look for small block Ford (351W included) is a magazine called "Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords". You can find just about any engine kit for the 302 and 351 you could possibly imagine. I checked out that website and I am sure those folks do excellent work, it sure would be convenient to have the engine delivered to your door that already has the carb adjusted and the timing set! But one thing that I have to question, they say on the parts list they are using high performance Chevy rods (not aftermarket racing con rods), and their horsepower charts show them twisting these engines to 9000 RPMs. How are they doing that without rod, crank or valve train failure? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 I don't think the pricing is terrible. I just think its alot of bucks for something that isn't going to have what ya really want. Bang for the buck tho... its a fair deal. However, I don't really think you want cast iron heads mounted in a Z car... but that's just the way I look at it. Dennis "If it isn't blown, it sucks....." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 So what do I really want? I guess an aluminum head would save some weight. Anything else that would be better for my application than what is on those pages? I really don't know what I need in order to have everything running. Could someone give me a list of the stuff I need to have a running car and fair prices for those parts(including tranny stuff... and I'm interested in the T56... but the only price I've seen for one is almost $3000)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 I'm in the same boat - looking for a motor. When Mike was having trouble with his new engine a crate motor sure sounded tempting didn't it Mike? But now I'm in the same boat and I'm not sure that 385hp with a warranty is going to be enough. I'm in the process of calling around myself and having a shop I work with do some checking. Not yet sure what I'll be doing but take a hard look at the new GM crate motors - the 385hp one in particular. It's NOT a stroker but rather a ZZ4 withthe Hot Heads on it. Slap a cam in it and get 430hp. Just how much HP do you really need anyway? What's your goal? As for the T56 - buy a used one from a 94+ F-body. I got mine complete with clutch, flywheel, hydraulics, and shifter for about $1400 or so out of a junkyard. These are tough transmissions - I expect it to be in fine shape Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 horsepower wise, 400 sounds like a nice figure to me. I want an engine that can idle at 1000RPM (or lower)... is that unrealistic for more horsepower goals? As for transmission, a T56 for $1400 sounds like a pretty good deal, but I don't now of any good junkyards for this stuff in the San Diego area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators SuperDan Posted June 15, 2000 Administrators Share Posted June 15, 2000 For a used T56 try this guy. http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/LT1sthatrun/index.html Mine was shipped to my door for $1700 total. I got my 383 from this guy, he deliverd it to my door. Mark at The Block Shop in Irvine, Ca (800)566-0361 tell him Dan sent you). ------------------ Dan "I need bigger tires" Porter, 78 280Z, 383, 475hp, T56, Move outa my WAY!!! http://24.4.88.44/members/dporter/DanZ.html [This message has been edited by SuperDan (edited June 14, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 Nice price on the T56... how hard was it to install in the Z? Is it heavier or lighter than the stock Z 4-speed? (It looks like the price went up to $1800 not inclduing shipping for the T56 though) What sort of stuff went into the 383? Price? I really need to drop by your place sometime to check out your ride [This message has been edited by Psyence (edited June 14, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 Jim, Mine is a poor example, primarely because I had no experience with Chevy motors. My problems were caused by me, not the builder... Who'd have thunk that Tall valve covers would have still been to short to clear the rockers... The fuel issue was bizaare, but I have it fixed now, and the trans/ Clutch issue... well lets just say that everyone else can benefit from my mistakes. As to what you should look for in a motor... I'd shoot for Quality Molley Rings, clevite77 bearings, Mellings pump, internal balancing.. You don't need forged rods and pistons, or crank, you do need quality bolts (ARP) and you do need aluminum heads and intake to help offset some of the weight. Mike ------------------ "I will not be a spectator in the sport of life!" mjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RON JONES Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 I have been waiting to hear that its fixed.You must be releaved!Mike you should post something over in fuel delivery,you know to let evreyone know its FIXED. [This message has been edited by RON JONES (edited June 15, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 Mike's post reminded me of a question I had- Is there any drawback to doing an internal balance job? Cost? Is there a significant benefit (dumping the weight of the dampner)? Thanks, Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 In my case the T56V8 has yet to be installed. In fact up until about a week ago my project was stalled badly. This week I found an awesome 72Z that needs nothing other than a good V8 swap I expect that my project will move MUCH faster now and am shopping for a motor myself. If this trans would bolt to a 351W I'd be nearly done - don't know much about Chebby stuff... As for balancing - internal makes for a smoother motor I'm told. Just watch where they do th ebalance - if they pull metal from the flywheel or twiddle with the balancer you've got to make sure any new parts are balanced to the old ones. In my mind "internal" is just that but it seems some balance shops want to tinker with the external parts too - booo! I agree with Mike about the aluminum heads and intake. I'd also say that you'll want forged pistons. You never know when the desire for a power adder will hit and hyper or cast pistons don't hang as well with detonation. Actually, Mike's price sounded pretty good to me, I've not yet gotten back many numbers but the one's I've gotten so far are edging on $4K and I didn't want to spend that much if I could help it. We'll see! P.S. Before you go ordering up a serious rocket of a motor be sure to consider the exhaust it'll be exiting out of. I assume that most of us want the easy to live with block huggers - most of those have pretty tiny primary tubes. No sense having a motor that makes a zillion ponies if it can't breathe right! I think 400hp is enough to do some serious cooking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scott Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 Psyence, consider the Aftermarket Tremec/T56(BW). It can be had for 2165.00. Figure in you cost for shifter, and a electronic speedo, and you'll have a new trans. Bolts to a T5 bell which is easier to find than the unique OE T56. The 400 lb rating is good for the light Z. Bigger badder engines need the late T56. If you're not going to run slicks, look into this. Burt chev. 1800-345-5744. JS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted June 15, 2000 Share Posted June 15, 2000 P.S. I forgot to mention how I found my trans. I hung out in some F-body BBS type WEB sites (defunct now it seems) and saw a posting from a guy who had motors. I E-Mailed him and found out that he worked in a salvage yard in Alabama and that he had like 6 late models of interest. Only one trans was left and I jumped on it! The guy was really cool, even dropped the price some when shipping turned out to be higher than anticipated. Looking back it might have been a bit more than $1400 but it most certainly was noticably cheaper than $1799+shipping! Shipping ain't cheap BTW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 Hey Psyence, Did you say San Diego? I'm in Huntington Beach and I was looking at a Recycler a week ago and it had a T56 for sale, 1995 I think. Maybe you can check their website. Owen ------------------ http://www.homestead.com/s30z/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 16, 2000 Share Posted June 16, 2000 what's their web address? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2000 Share Posted June 17, 2000 I have decided on the late model T56 as the transmission for my V8 conversion... now onto the powerplant. While I like the idea of cheaper rebuilt engines to custom specifications, I am also somewhat anal about remanufacturing. Right now I am considering the Fast Burn SBC with the HOT cam and 1.6 ratio self aligning rocker arms. This supposedly kicks me up to 430 HP and Torque. Which I think is a good starting point My only concern is, if I ever need more power (heaven forbid), am I stuck, or can I maybe bore out the block or swap in forged pistons or anything else? What should I be paying for just the engine and the cam+rocker arms? Does $4000 sound right? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted June 19, 2000 Share Posted June 19, 2000 Pick up a Super Chevy mag or a StreetRodder mag. Both of those will have ads for the 383 crate motor and you can get the cam from any of the GM dealers. For that matter any GM dealer will sell you a crate motor but if it's not performance oriented it'll probably be at list price! Figure tax vs shipping too - you may be best off getting one shipped. $3799 is the price I last recall seeing for the ZZ4 motor with the hot heads - ala 383. The cam comes with new rocker arms and springs too I think and would be an add-on. It's NOT cheap, several hundred bucks as I recall but I'm fuzzy on that. This link will give you a starting point. http://www.paceparts.com/crate_engines_and_partials.htm Be sure to check out the ZZ430 motor which is the ZZ4 with the 383 heads and the hot cam. Parts list for that motor tells you everything you need to know. Jim Pace will send you a catalog too - I've got one Here's the motor we're looking at -> http://www.paceparts.com/fast_burn_385_engine.htm I'm still not decided on a motor yet myself but that crate and maybe that cam later on sure is tempting. May have to see what the delivered at the door price is Do note that the balancer and water pump will have to be swapped and that this "ZZ5" has NO distributor it seems. Hrm, give me better heads but take the damned HEI off. Grr! P.S. Yes, you CAN hop that motor up for more power but at some point the pistons, not the rods, will become an issue IMO. [This message has been edited by BLKMGK (edited June 18, 2000).] [This message has been edited by BLKMGK (edited June 18, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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