Synlubes Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Ck this web site for info http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/mydoom.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 http://www.hybridz.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=30669 http://www.hybridz.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=30617 Viruses: Dont get them, dont spread them, and dont tell everyone about them because that just causes more fall-out from the virus. There have even been viruses that didnt do hardly do anything to themselves, but have ended up taking down email servers because so many people emailed everyone they knew to warn them about the virus. The virus didnt even do the damage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strotter Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Also, get a Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synlubes Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 I posted the link NOT to get everyone in an uproar, but to give folks a means of cking and cleaning there computers. Information is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigWhyteDude Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 LOL get a Mac , probly the smartest thing ppl could do but, as soon as everyone got a Mac then the virus programers would be writing viruses for the mac's. Unless OS10 is it?? really is well protected from them. Dont know much about macs but i would get one if it had the gameing selection of a P.C... My buddy has one of Macs lap tops and that is the nicest computer i have seen. Power wise and style wise. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Zone Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 I appreciated the link and was able to confirm my machine is still clean. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Well, while we are re-spreading information... LOL get a Mac , probly the smartest thing ppl could do but, as soon as everyone got a Mac then the virus programers would be writing viruses for the mac's. Unless OS10 is it?? really is well protected from them. One word "Linux". Only unix-based OSes can be truly virus-free. Yes, there are already viruses that attack the older Mac OSes. Macs were never immune, it just wasnt as probable that someone would write a virus to attack Macs. A unix-based OS is immune because the base coding makes it impossible for a regular user to do anything to damage the OS unless that user is the root user. If anyone is dumb enough to run Linux as a root user all of the time then they deserve to get their computer hosed. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I believe OSX is actually vulnerable because of the way it is written. Some of the overly user-friendly crap has been known to open up security risks. Where there are open security holes, there are places for viruses to do their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelman Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 NIC, I'm going to have to disagree with you that Linux is immune to viruses. OK well maybe the OS itself is fairly well protected and "viruses" don't work on it but not all the security holes have been patched. The applications also present a security problem, remember the "Slammer worm" that attacked a while ago? I run a small web-server based on Redhat 7.3 which runs Apache 1.3 something (can't remember exactly). Anyway Apache had a security problem which allowed a remote connection to send a command string that would upload code for a program which would then be compiled. The program of choice used a well known method to obtain root level access and then installed a backdoor, at least one variant did. The quick fix meant that permission to the C compiler were restricted to root access only but that means only a user with root level access can develope software on that system, not an option. Eventually a patch was produced for Apache but in the mean time I had to compile code on a different machine and upload it for testing. Anyway the Unix style variants are more secure than Windows or the MAC OSs but not entirely immune. It takes more work and a better understanding of the OS but Linux can and has been penetrated. I prefer Linux or Windows but using it won't solve all the security problems. I subscribe to several computer security related news letters and everyone I get that reports exploits includes something for everyone. Windows, MAC, Linux, CISCO, and cross platform apps. Until the software industry as a whole takes the security issue seriously there will never be a completely secure OS. By security I mean worms, viruses and other malware. Ken W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Yes...Thanks for the link Doug!!! My machine is also clean of those dll files!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 .... The applications also present a security problem, remember the "Slammer worm" that attacked a while ago? I run a small web-server based on Redhat 7.3 which runs Apache 1.3 something (can't remember exactly). Anyway Apache had a security problem which allowed a remote connection to send a command string that would upload code for a program which would then be compiled. .... That is not a virus. A program with a security hole is just that, a program with a security hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 There used to be a joke virus that went around Linux circles that said "Hi, this is the dumb@ss virus for Linux users. Please login as root user and delete the following files..." Now for all practical purposes, a lot of us don't have the expertise to use a Linux system. I've tried Redhat 6.0, 6.2, and 7.0, and I've had bugs in all 3 all related to the hardware in my system. I built this system myself after looking at RedHat's site for appropriate hardware that WOULDN'T have bugs, but it still did. One of my best friends is a hardcore Linux user and has been using Linux since RedHat 3.0 or something like that, I'd say for probably 7 or 8 years. He has the knowledge required to fix all of the bugs that I've encountered, but when he tries to explain it to me over the phone or by email, it feels like a root canal to a non-geek like me. I REALLY want a Linux system, but I think I'm going to have to wait until they make it more idiot proof, since the current builds don't cover my high level of idiocy. BTW--When I was a kid I'd go to this friend's house (this is 15 years ago now) and ask him to go ride bikes or play basketball or something, and he was already on BBS's downloading games at 200 baud for his Apple II, so he was pretty much born a geek. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Redhat is a great distribution if you want to download the current sources and bug fixes every day Try another distribution, that is what I did. I have been using Mandrake ever since (about 5 years now). Mandrake is so easy you can even use Mandrake Move and not have to set anything up, it runs off of a CD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelman Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 NIC, You are correct, the program I mentioned "Slammer" isn't technically a virus but it is a good example of the type of program that attacks the Liunx/Unix type OSs. It's to easy to say "Switch to Linux and everything will be better". The solution to the virus, spam, worm, backdoor problem isn't simply switching to a different OS. All developers must commit themselves to producing high quality secure code not bloated applications that take a Pentium IV 2.5 gigahertz system just to run. I'm going to stop before I get going and this subject is to large for a single post to address adequately. I've been a software developer since the DOS days and have seen enough to know that there is no easy solution. I think it's going to get alot worse before it gets better. Unfortunately I think a real solution is going to mean a drastic reduction in our freedoms on the internet. Ken W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strotter Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Just wanted to follow up on the Mac OS X thing - it really is Unix, uses the Mach 3.0 kernel, FreeBSD 5, the whole deal. This is kind of weird for me, 'cause I got my start on a Unix back in the '80's at the local J.C. Using emacs in a bash terminal in a window on a Mac is both familiar and strange. Gotta love it, though, set up an Apache server from my house in a few minutes, scripted some code in mySQL, tried to remember pipelining worked, had to look it up in a MAN page, all that. I frequently run X11 rootless (it's X11R6.6) for X apps like Gimp and a couple of others. Believe me, the "power user" Unix thing is cool. I understand that as of a couple of months ago, OS X is the most widely distributed Unix variant. It's true that the *nix's aren't "immune" to viruses, but the security holes have been plugged pretty thoroughly over the years. And they're as vulnerable to DOS (denial of service) attacks as any other system - didn't SCO have some problems last week? I think their servers were shut down for a couple of days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest subdermal Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Haha and the thread comes full circle. SCO was offline becasue the main thing that MYDoom.a does is ... knock SCO offline. The main purpose behind most hostile code lately is to either set up mail relays for spammers, or participate in denial-of-service attacks. Either one can be done at user-level privileges on a *nix system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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