preith Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I've been brainstorming, and have to throw this out there. I have the Nissan Motorsports pan. To fill it just below the windage tray, takes about 7 qts. My thoughts were technically one should fill it up over the tray because during operation, it's probably down at least 2 qts. Does anyone have a more concrete figure on this? Any other thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2126 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 If the pan you have is like the aluminum racing pan sold by Motorsport Auto (P/N 10-2466), then it is intended to hold just 7 quarts. Check out MSA's website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The Motorsport one is made by Arizona Z Car. The Nissan Comp one is different, made by DP racing, and according to Nissan it is an 8 qt pan: http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=99996-E1131&Category_Code=s30_nismo_oilpan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2126 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The Motorsport one is made by Arizona Z Car. The Nissan Comp one is different' date=' made by DP racing, and according to Nissan it is an 8 qt pan:http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=99996-E1131&Category_Code=s30_nismo_oilpan[/quote'] Jon to the rescue....outstanding! Yeh, I was thinking he might have the MSA sold unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I have the AZC one and my friend has the Comp one, so I kinda had the inside track on that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 Thanks guys. I was aware that the pan was sold as an 8 qt, but maybe I'm making it more complicated than it has to be. What got the wheels turning was in "How to Hotrod Race..." he has a picture of the same pan, but what I beleive is the 4cyl version. He says it's a 7.5 to 8 qt pan, but should be filled to 6 to keep it below the windage tray. I assumed the same rule would apply to the 6cyl one. When I initially filled mine, I found 7 qts put me right at the tray. Then I thought about with it running, it technically would be well below, but maybe that was taken into account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rick458 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 you will generally want to run as much oil as posible for cooling but still keep it from having the reciprocating assy dragging through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 you will generally want to run as much oil as posible for cooling but still keep it from having the reciprocating assy dragging through it That's the point I've been trying to make from the start. Is there a happy medium there? Is 8 qts the maximum capactity, or the recommended level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasz Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I have the AZC one and my friend has the Comp one, so I kinda had the inside track on that one... Which one do you feel is better and what are the differences other than the capacity of course? Looks like a BIG price difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 you will generally want to run as much oil as posible for cooling but still keep it from having the reciprocating assy dragging through it Preith, don't you have an external oil cooler? Are your temps still too high? Maybe you should consider an upgrade there. Or maybe you're just overanalyzing the situation like I tend to do on my Z... Which one do you feel is better and what are the differences other than the capacity of course? Looks like a BIG price difference! I think the Nissan Comp unit is better, but not $400 better. The nicer features of the Nissan pan are that it has a crank scraper, the pickup is strenthened so that it doesn't vibrate and break off in the bottom of the pan, and the capacity is higher. Also my AZC pan was pre rubber o-ring on the drain plug, so my drain plug seeps a bit even with teflon tape, and although you would usually think of aluminum as a light material the pan weighs probably 15 or 20 lbs. Still, if I had it to do over again I'd buy the AZC pan again, at least at list price vs. list price. I think Nissan is just crazy to charge $750 for that pan, good as it may be. I've heard that classic datsun has the Nissan pan for less, but I haven't checked it out. If the prices were within $100 or so I'd shell out the bucks for the Nissan one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted March 2, 2005 Author Share Posted March 2, 2005 Preith, don't you have an external oil cooler? Are your temps still too high? Maybe you should consider an upgrade there. Or maybe you're just overanalyzing the situation like I tend to do on my Z... I guess that last post was a bit misleading. Yes I do have an oil cooler, but temps were never the issue, just the crank going through the oil. It's more about power loss than anything. But I think you're right, I'm probably just overanalyzing it. I think the Nissan Comp unit is better, but not $400 better.... I think Nissan is just crazy to charge $750 for that pan, good as it may be. I've heard that classic datsun has the Nissan pan for less, but I haven't checked it out. If the prices were within $100 or so I'd shell out the bucks for the Nissan one. I totally agree. When I was shopping for mine about 4 years ago, Nissan had a hard time stocking this, and at the time it was about $550-600. So I actually dug up my old Zcar magazines (not Z-sport), started calling all the zcar shops advertised, and was fortunate enough to find a used one for a bit less. But anyways, $750 is venturing into dry sump territory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Baldwin Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I guess I've been overfilling mine (Nissan Comp), I can get almost TEN quarts in it. That's $50 worth of Mobil1 Ten gets it to the fill line on the dipstick, but filled to there it just pukes it out the crankcase vent tube into the intake at the track, "correcting" the level to halfway on the dipstick. A little nervous to run it at the low line, but hell, that's still a large volume of oil down there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasz Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I think the Nissan Comp unit is better, but not $400 better. The nicer features of the Nissan pan are that it has a crank scraper, the pickup is strenthened so that it doesn't vibrate and break off in the bottom of the pan, and the capacity is higher. Also my AZC pan was pre rubber o-ring on the drain plug, so my drain plug seeps a bit even with teflon tape, and although you would usually think of aluminum as a light material the pan weighs probably 15 or 20 lbs. Still, if I had it to do over again I'd buy the AZC pan again, at least at list price vs. list price. I think Nissan is just crazy to charge $750 for that pan, good as it may be. I've heard that classic datsun has the Nissan pan for less, but I haven't checked it out. If the prices were within $100 or so I'd shell out the bucks for the Nissan one. Can you provide a URL or phone number to classic datsun? I do not believe I've heard of them before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I can't seem to remember classic datsun's URL... What could classicdatsun's URL be??? Classic datsun... classic datsun... classic datsun... hmm. Nope, it's not coming to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifegrddude Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Lol, to make it easy: http://classicdatsun.com John 82ZXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasz Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I can't seem to remember classic datsun's URL... What could classicdatsun's URL be??? Classic datsun... classic datsun... classic datsun... hmm. Nope' date=' it's not coming to me. [/quote'] Strange, I did a google search and couldn't find it. In any case I did get to the site and didn't see the pan. Oh well, I suppose that they don't cary it any longer. Lol' date=' to make it easy: http://classicdatsun.com John 82ZXT[/quote'] Thanx for making it ease! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I think he has a lot more than what he shows on the website. Apparently he has Mikuni jets and all sorts of race stuff not shown. If you really want the pan I'd try calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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