Is America this DUMB?

[auxilary]

I mean, seriously! This is worse than the class action lawsuit filed by the fat guys suing mcdonalds and hte likes for getting fat!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/15/attacks.suit/index.html

[denny411]

I don`t see winning the case as the problem. the problem would be collecting.

[Guest zfan]

Oh my God!! What next, it's never my fault mentality has been taken to a new level.

 

Fat boy couldn't say NO I guess!!!

 

Mike

[strotter]

I think the point of the exercise is to hit these guys where it really hurts - their pocketbooks. They aren't aiming at Bin Lauden (sp?), they're aiming at the billionaire SOB's that finance him. Some of these guys have some serious money - and it isn't in the Bank Arabia, or wherever, it's in the Bank of Zurich, Banke Deutche, and good old Citibank. It's the same thing that they did with the flight 103 thing a few years ago, which worked out pretty well. AP said "The 15-count lawsuit, modeled after action filed against Libya in the Pan Am flight 103 disaster, seeks to cripple banks, charities and some members of the Saudi royal family as a deterrent to terrorist financing schemes." They're going to try to do what we (the Western World) don't seem to want to do, that is destroy the people who *finance* this behavior. I mean, it seems kind of pointless in terms of getting money for the families, but I just consider it another b**ch-slap for a bunch of people who need a whole bunch of *serious* smackin' around.

[auxilary]

right. but how exactly do they plan to collect even if they win? that's the concept

[BLKMGK]

Collecting? How about by confiscating property and assets in the United States and elsewhere if other Govt. will comply? We've already frozen a TON of stuff, I see no reason why we might not freeze more...

[Kevin Shasteen]

Collection is the key, but for an international atty, not as difficult as one of us "normal peasants" would think.

 

When a claim is proven on an international level; that claim will be reviewed by the international banks; such as one of the central banks set up by the Rothshilds in Europe, Rockefellers in the USA, Asian banks and the Arab Banks.

 

Some banker will pick up the judgement if it means interest bearing notes against a entity that has "Deep Pockets". You cant get much more "Deep Pockets" than the Arab oil countries.

 

Hey, atty's and bankers, who cares-they're all sharks. The greed of the atty and banker is a pretty hard driving force, especially when they turn on each other for the all mighty buck.

 

For a sharp international atty; it really isnt that dumb of an idea. And sometimes a judgement isnt the real driving force; sometimes merely "Exposing" the facts is also a cause for making a claim for the purpose of swaying public opinion for political reasons and more.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[Guest SuperDave]

After I recovered from the laughing fit I began to see the possibilities of the thing. Regardless of any differentiation the Islamic countries see between themselves and the infidel world, we're all operating within the same economic structure. If the suit is prosecuted properly, on an international level as Kevin suggested, it would be possible to make things extremely uncomfortable for some of the defendants.

 

I find it rather ironic, though, that we'd be successfully opposing terrorism with the same weapon which is destroying our healthcare and insurance industries - the lawsuit.

[Guest Anonymous]

Who do you think will win if this case gets to an American jury? This is an American case in a federal court in Washington DC. What (policically minded) judge will kick it out during a time of economic warfare for oil? The Laden Family's price of doing any business transactions will go up in the western world.

[Mike kZ]

They really think that this would happen???

[Phantom]

Scott T - You're exactly right about going after the financing. People can have a lot of hate and not be able to do much about it if they don't have the financing for the training, weapons purchases, transportaion, etc. Read the papers - even the English don't really like us. We are considered the bully of the world and everyone is envious of our standard of living. We have few friends and there is nothing that we can do to change that other than give it all up - and I don't think even that would change things. Internationally we are on our own - unless another country sees an economic or political advantage to temporarily side with us.

Using the international court system is probably one of the more effictive ways to fight these fanatics. It will force them deeper underground, slow down their movements, and, over time, start sniping away at their financial support. Those boys over there are mostly all greedy sob's (except for the real fanatics like Bin Laden who even scares the Saudi's)and they will support their hatred of the US only as long as they see their money not getting grabbed up by the courts.

[BLKMGK]

Actually, if you read the papers we're NOT all using the same monetary system. These guys had a network setup that wasn't like what we think of as banks to send money around. Now, many were shutdown and we seized a ton of assests but I also believe that it's been reported that much of the assets that HAD been in banks were pulled and converted into gold and other things in the months before the attack. We hurt them for sure but they weren't comepletely stupid about this. Dunno' how this case will play out but if nothing it will highlight who's been playing a part in this if they can produce the evidence...

[David K]

this worries me. we win, take their money, they get pissed, they kill us some more. do you guys see the potential problem here?

 

yes losing money would cause a problem for them, but religous cause/wars are as bad as they get and they dont stop till everyone is dead.

 

this is bad in my view. if a bully beats you up day after day, are you going to go piss him off even more?

 

sorry for the rant guys.

[strotter]

I agree about the "bully beating you up" thing. I think a good thing about this is that we're not beating up the average Joe over there, but some of the bullies who really started this whole thing - the royal families and their associated financial institutions who have managed to very effectively suck the life out of their nations. There was an interesting factoid in one of the weekly news magazines a couple of months ago, I think Newsweek or U.S. News. They said that if you took the Gross Domestic Product of any number of the oil producing nations and distributed it in the same way that you see in western countries, you'd have quality of life approaching that of the U.S. or Japan. The actual case of course is that the *vast* majority of the population lives in what we would consider poverty, and the royal families are among the wealthiest people on Earth. How convenient for them that the average guy over there has come to believe that it's America's fault. How convenient too that *stuff* just keeps happening over there, so nobody really has the time to note that the middle east is the last cluster of dictatorships anywhere in the world. Heck, even the Russians *pretended* to have elections, these guys don't even do that...

 

What really pisses me off is that, with all that money from all that oil, so easily available, those nations had the chance to make themselves into utopias, and they blew it. They had the chance and they blew it.

 

I, too, am sorry for the rant.

[Kevin Shasteen]

I agree with you Scott so dont apologize about ranting. We need to discuss this matter & all theory, feelings are important.

 

As far as the "Royals" are concerned, their commoners are just as miffed with their "Royals" as we are with our "Royals (Beaurocratic Feds) as we are. Just like they dont get to see or hear our grievences over here we dont get to see or hear their grievences (media doesnt account for it publically). One's perception is their reality; so keep the reality superfilous and all is well. The dogs keep barking-but the band plays on while no one notices. It is catching up with them as our blindness is catching up with us.

 

Has anyone else besides me ever noticed that major wars only seem to take place in countries that dont currently have a "European Central Bank"? It appears that "Democracy" seems to go to war where ever a "European Central Bank" isnt. Democracy isnt what this country was founded on; it was a "REPUBLIC". Who are we to "Bully" someone else.

 

Then when "our Gov't" decides to go to war-we send our innocent armed forces over there so they can be subjected to chemical warfare; only to return home and die...the whole time our V.A.'s reject treatment to a reaction that "alledgedly didnt occur" even tho Veterans are dieing all around us. Then and only then-after the Govt is sued by someone-are the V.A.'s actually authorized to begin treating our Veterans...this is assinine and very offensive to me.

 

I also agree the Middle Easterners blew It. They had the chance for their country to be the most prosperous in the world and they blew it. I feel anytime anyone (regardless of Nationality) causes "FREE WILL" to be removed from the life of any individual, then they that have caused "That Loss of Free Will" have crossed the line.

 

What I dont like about this whole thing (911 and the War on Terror) is that,

 

.., (and I commented about this early on, when the 911 event took place, and a thread was created on this cite)..,

 

and that is that our Gov't seems to think the only way they can "Protect" us is for us to "GIVE UP" some of our liberties. This is hogwash. They have already pretty much taken away just about any and all of our liberties prior to the 911 event-they couldnt or didnt protect us then...now they want us (at least they have implied) that we take some National ID card and give up more of our Libeties; all in the name of "PEACE". If it weren't so serious it would be laughable.

 

Their argument is: We want to "protect" you and we want you to be "safe"....notice all the key words working on our "Fears"? So, in order for you to be protected & safe-we need you to give up your liberties(?). The whole time they leave our borders wide open; This is doublethink Bulllloney.

 

I AM NOT THE ENEMY: SO DONT TREAT ME LIKE AN ENEMY BY EXPECTING ME TO GIVE UP MY LIBERTIES.

 

AND, Dont demonize me because I dont wish to give up my liberties; their behavior towards those they claim they wish to protect truly has become utter foolishness.

 

Yes, now I am raving. Sorry HbybridZ admin but this gets my goat how my govt can be so lame at times; especially in the light of so many innocent victims from 911.

 

This Homeland Security Dept lurking in the shadows has me wondering what else my govt expects me to give up: even Congress limited Bush's requests....and Bush vetoed what Congress granted in the act. Bush now tells Congress to go back & give him something even the liberal Congress doesnt wasnt willing to give him. Scary-there is definately a power play going on in our Congress between the Legislative and Executive branch for something I dont think any of us can begin to comprehend.

 

I know that this site is about cars; anyway-got that off my chest. Admin-feel free to erase my comments if you want for I feel we have gotten off HybridZ's mission statement's beaten track, once again. I say we-yes I have a mouse in my pocket.

 

However; this is in line with the topic-and that was "IS AMERICA REALLY THIS DUMB"? I hope not.

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling/thinking this.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[CruxGNZ]

Well said Kevin, well said.

 

!M!