Cheaper to run 10s in civic than a mustang!

[auxilary]

nah, not that... complete lack of traction beyond 400hp

[Guest Anonymous]

oh i was joking or being sarcastic sorry for the miscommuntication

my friend has a 2002 civic ex he thinks is the greatest thing sinced sliced bread but my former RX-7 R.I.P handed his butt to him several times in a row before he finally admitted he was beat.

[Guest Anonymous]

Hahah true that it doesn't matter if your car has about 1000hp it isn't going to matter if you don't have traction.

[Guest bang847]

[Dan Juday]

Hey Lone, nobody bit! Do you think they've stopped reading your posts?

 

Well hey, I'm your friend, I'll help:

 

"Say Lone, what's a Henway?"

 

ba dum bump

[Moridin]

Hey, I own a Honda and a Z. Love them both. I've got a little 91 hatch. I love the Civic, because it handles. Now if I can just find the right brackets to get the new front sway bar on there. Anyways, I really don't like all those people with the Honda's that ruin the reputation. Yah, they're commuter cars, but anyone that puts the time into their car deserves a little respect in my book. I knew a guy who was a bad rep for the BMW M3 image. Too much car for him. Anyway, I'm just saying not to bash Hondas or Acuras that much. Bash the people that give them the bad rep.

 

Anyways, cheaper to run 10s in Civic than a Mustang? Not sure about that. The only thing I could thing of would be either a B20 Frankenstein or Prelude H22 both with turbos that could push down into that range. Lots of work would have to be done to the drivetrain. The only reason it may be cheaper is if they included the cost of a '92 hatch to a newer '95 and up? Mustang. I do have to give all the Sport Compact draggers credit for doing all that work. Seeing that companies are not going to stop making FWD cars anytime soon, its good that these people are learning a lot. They are doing some amazing stuff too.

[Guest Anonymous]

Thanks Dan, I hate suspense... sheeesh, old joke

 

"Whats a henway?"

"About 2 lbs..."

 

Dink dink dink, hey is this thing on? Tough crowd...

 

Regards,

 

Lone

[Jay1970Z]

guys, I am very ashamed as I am a student at UCF right now. Like a week or two ago I was waiting for class so I picked up the latest issue of the UCF Future to kill some time. As soon as I saw this article I didnt know if I should laugh or be disgusted. I gotta say, our newspaper is notorious for stupid articles that have absolutely no truth behind them. Just last week they had an article on the etiquette of going to a strip club, and another article on how guys that wear prescription glasses get more "play". Notice that the picture of the car takes up like 3/4 of the page and the article is actually small. I want to track down the idiot that wrote the article and the idiot that they interviewed and give them a nice beat down.

[Guest livewire23]

if I didn't know better I'd say you guys were bashing hondas. Hondas are nice little grocery running cars, no more smack talk. just because the little 1.6l engines are too small to move anything doesnt mean jack But on a serious note, I have a honda, and I love it to death. It may not have crazy pull (156 lb-ft of torque doesnt do much for a high 2000 lbs car), but its still quick when I give it gas. Did I mention that I have the second closest thing to a racing honda, a nice zippy prelude. I love my prelude, but a little bit of research quickly made me realize that for real speed, I'd need to put in a newer JDM spec engine, and then turbo or supercharge, which would take my daily driver out of commisssion for a while, and take my wallet out of commission forever. The moral of the story? Buy a 280z and strap a V8 to it Preludes rock. and some day, so shall my 280z. cheers to the meeting of east and west, and the subsequent death of all other easterners and westerners. w00t, im gonna finally rock those bastardized camaros

[Guest tt350]

Dam Straight!

[BLKMGK]

you know what 400' date=' 600, and 800 hp supras have in common?

 

12 second time slips <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile']" src="smile.gif" />

 

Actually I've got an 11.4sec timeslip that says different. Lack of traction is true though but there's nothing like breaking tires loose in 4th rolling into the gas With zero breakage too! A friend of mine ran consistant 10.4s @ 130+ the day I got my 11.4 - damned automatics! He didn't even turn his boost up much and I too was running less than 100% of what I could have - my problem is the driver The 10sec Supra could be daily driven if he wanted - the A/C works fine and except for the rollbar it's stock inside. Sick I tell you!

 

A 10 sec Honda is going to be a tin can sans interior with goofy looking slicks and probably a spool out front. This isn't going to be a car with A/C and it's probably half fiberglass.

 

That said - I've seen some pretty sweet Hondas running around. Some of them look pretty clean and while they aren't something I'd fear on the street they still look nice. Decent sized turbo and it would be a fun ride! In the end do you really need to be able to run 10s to be happy? Lack of traction in 4th, while I may joke about it, is nothing to sneeze at. 3rd is a bigger problem than 4th but breaking loose at speed like that can get exciting. Ask Scottie sometime what his car is like on the street with real street tires on it I will be switching to DRs on my car full time, like Scottie, just to be able to really enjoy the car during the Summer.

 

Really need to get the Z up and running again. It too is a blast with a totally different power curve. I'll get to it and hope that the CV axles bring me reliability - having a fast car that's dead nuts reliable is REAL fun!

[Mudge]

I dont think Hondas belong boosted, stick to already turboed engines. If you look at Cheezfrog sure his ride was fast! For awhile, then it blew up.

 

I dont think making an under 2 liter car "fast" is cheap any way you slice it, when it comes to reliability, not my preference either.

[Guest Your Car is Slow]

He didn't even turn his boost up much and I too was running less than 100% of what I could have

 

Bahahhaha...god I love supra guys.

 

There has never ever...in the history of the world...been a supra thats made a pass on the track, run on the dyno, or race on the street at "Full Boost" or where he was "All in it"

 

Its a known fact that supras cant be beaten....and if by chance you do beat one???? Well...the driver was either not racing...not "all in it"....on low boost....or it was an NA automatic

 

 

Thats just funny

[Mudge]

LoL, seems like the truth. I have a video of a Supra getting spanked badly by a seemingly rather stock Camaro so I assume it was an NA Supra, because every single time they took off you could not tell the Supra was trying to race.

[BLKMGK]

He didn't even turn his boost up much and I too was running less than 100% of what I could have

 

Bahahhaha...god I love supra guys.

 

There has never ever...in the history of the world...been a supra thats made a pass on the track, run on the dyno, or race on the street at "Full Boost" or where he was "All in it"

 

Its a known fact that supras cant be beaten....and if by chance you do beat one???? Well...the driver was either not racing...not "all in it"....on low boost....or it was an NA automatic

 

Thats just funny

 

Whatever. I boosted 1.5BAR, the car can take two. However I'm still tuning and I was more interested in getting the car to drive right than a quick(er) time or toasted motor. 550RWHP ought to get me down the track a bit faster and guys with my combo are over 600RWHP on pump so there's room to improve. The guy who ran the 10.4s has run 10.3s and he NEVER locks up his torque converter so there's certainly more left in it. I know his boost wasn't all the way up too - he's having trans problems and was working on fixing them not running high boost. Kind of sucks when half your runs are aborted due to being stuck in a gear - even those runs were in the 12s!

 

To run high boost requires race gas or meth injection. This isn't something that many people run full time (well, maybe meth). Many Supra drivers, including myself, have a hell of a time launching - the street is even worse. Fact of life - this much power is a bitch to hook. The power curve on a tuned Supra can go from 200RWHP to 500+ in less than 1K RPM, ponder that. Highway runs are where Supra shine. The power can be hooked, the gearing rox, and it's hard to blow a shift on a highway run. Never race a Supra on the highway, especially if the exhaust tip is white inside

 

Supra can obviously be beat but you never know what you're going to get when you race one. Any car that's capable of 900RWHP on a stock bottom end is impressive and most aren't stock. You just never know if it's going to be a N/A wuss or a single turbo monster on race gas waiting to spring I'm happy with an 11.4 and wish I could've backed it up a few times. I know it's capable of more, believe it or not - no skin off my back. <shrug> If it makes you feel better my first run on street tires was a 12.8 @122mph. The funny thing is that little twits in Hondas and most everything else love to drive by and rev. I wish I had a dollar for every punk who zoomed by me then hit the hazards, wonder how many claim that as a kill?

 

Mudge - a stock LS1 Camaro vs a stock Supra would probably be ugly. Stock for stock the Camaro will probably win - their power curve has more area under the curve. Stock turbosfuel and max boost made just 390RWHP on my car which is supposed to be low. That kind of power is certainly achievable on a stock looking Camaro. Heh, I did pickup 125RWHP midrange by changing the way the twins sequenced - that was a BIG difference on my car. Peak power didn't budge though and I went single before getting the combo totally sorted out. The stock turbos just don't move enough air for this motor

 

Personally I think Cobras are scarier than Camaro, many of them in my area are making 500RWHP with few mods. Talk about bang for the buck! The power curve is long and pretty flat too

[80LS1T]

Is there anywy of telling a NA Supra from a Turbo Supra from the body? Or should I just look for the white on the inside of the exhaust tip?(what does that white mean?) Cause theres a guy in a newer red Supra running around town here and I just want to know if I should mess with him or leave him alone when my car is ready to go? He's an old(like 55-60) guy though so he probably wont race(I'm only 20).

 

Oh an I go to school with a guy who put a B18?(does that sound right?) in his 90' CRX. It only runs low 14's with ALL of the interior out of it. He claims that he is building a 500-700HP(depending on how much boost he runs) engine, 1.6 L turbo set up, for it and that it should be done within the next year and ready to go! YEAH RIGHT! Is that even possible out of 1.6 L? I think 300-350HP would be the max that the engine it self could hold not to mention the rest of the car.

 

 

 

Guy

[Guest Your Car is Slow]

Every car is capable of more horsepower if you do more mods to it man. Its just funny to hear the excuse book fly outta you supra boys mouths.

 

Every single post ive ever seen from a supra owner telling their times always has something after it.

 

11.0@123....(insert excuse here)

 

 

What if some camaro owner posted "yea my best time is 12.90...but itll go faster once I bolt on my nitrous kit".

 

 

 

the only way to tell the difference is usually the wing.

 

Pretty much all wingless supras are NA.

[Moridin]

I was just talking to one of my co-workers whose into bikes. The new R6 somewhere around 200HP per liter. That's with a 600CC bike. When someone says they can hit 500HP out of a Honda 1.6, you may be suprised. Of course, they really need to know what they are doing, but it can be done.

 

My friend has a 490HP Supra with stock turbos. This was dyno proven from the previous owner. It does seem a little high, but you never know. It does pull. The biggest problem I've seen with some Supras is the lack of area under the power and torque curves. Blkmgk, I'm not ragging on Supras, rather just the owners and builders. Properly built, like yours, they can be extremely fast. Oh, and as to the comment about the Cobras, it couldn't be truer. They are different, yet understated. Never know if there's a Kenne Bell blower lurking under the hood.

 

Back to the Honda argument. Mudge, I believe that when things are done to what doesn't belong (at least in the automotive world) are what pushes advancement and change. Boosting these open deck 4 banger Honda motors has resulted in mucho advancement in small displacement engine building. This also stems from Mitsubishi, Subaru, and especially bikes. These technologies applied to larger displacement motors results in much more power and fuel efficiency.

[BLKMGK]

An 11.0@123 is pretty much what I'd expect from a car trapping 123mph, that's pretty good I think and would have to have a killer launch. Hell that's a hair from a 10 - who's bitching? However when you see a 12.8@123 then hell yes you will see excuses! If you know squat about racing you'll know exactly why too I've even got a 12second slip with a trap of 126mph, what's wrong with that picture? Supras are capable cars and when they don't perform to their ability there's going to be a caveat afterwards. Personally I could care less what others think as having owned this car for awhile I know what it's capable of. You've not driven one, that much is obvious from your "down the nose" comments.

 

As for telling an N/A from a Turbo - look for an emblem on the back passenger side. Turbos will usually say Turbo. The wing isn't a good way to tell them apart as I've seen quite a few winged N/A and a few wingless turbo cars. Removing that wing is supposed to be good for 2 tenths in the quarter That sucker puts down 60lbs of force at highway speeds and I'd guess has some huge drag associated with it. Brake sizes are different on an N/A but I doubt I coudl eye ball the difference. Lots of people are turbocharging the N/A model along with IS300 and SC300 too. I think I'd like a turbo SC300!

 

Honda engine making 500+ HP? Sure, it's possible. I'm pretty sure there's at least one of them on the AEM forum making big power like that. It'll require race gas, a TON of RPM, and big boost though. Getting smaller displacement engines to make big power requires trade offs. Want 900+RWHP out of a 3liter Supra? Fine, expect to make your power at over 4K RPM unless you spool it with Nitrous. Expect the power to come on VERY hard and you had better bump the rev limit up to about 8K to have any kind of power band. The same holds true for a Honda although possibly even more so. That small a displacement is going to rev 9K and require a TON of work to hold together. The power curve will be ugly and peaky but if you can keep it in the power band it'll be fun. Oh and I wonder what he'll do for axle shafts and a transmission The Supras, 6spds anyway, are blessed with a bulletproof trans - Hondas are NOT. The Supra also don't break axles easily and the driveshaft seems to hold up - not on a Honda. Beat on a stock Honda and you can break things FWIW it's things like this that caused me to sell my RX7 and buy the Supra in the first place - I wanted it bulletproof from the start. I've done the broken tranny thing (Mustang & T56 in my 240Z), I've done the broken halfshaft thing (2 times in the Z), and I know I'd have blown the motor in the FD3 so I went with the Supra. I'd think a Honda with about 350WHP and low weight would be about "right". It would be quick and a ton of fun, rev it to 8K+ and it would be a fun ride. Shooting for 600 HP on the other hand is a bit too much IMO. Too many other things to break! Plus front wheel drive just sux

 

A white exhaust tip means the car is running race gas. A mix will still be black depending on the mix but in just a couple of 1/4 passes on straight race gas I've seen a Supra tip go white. Done right on race gas a Supra will be able to run 30PSI of boost and high timing - it will FLY. If it's a single turbo it should be making a minimum of 500HP at the wheels. My 550 is actually dissapointing and ought to be closer to 600. My figure is from a Mustang dyno though and I'm hoping a DynoJet will be closer to what I expect. I spoke to a guy at the track with my combo who claimed 600RWHP on 19PSI using pump gas, my turbo will make 30 PSI so figure around 700RWHP. That's what good tuning will get me along with some race gas. My power is low for the boost I ran on the dyno and at the track.

 

P.S. 490RWHP on stock twins? I'd be suspicious to say the least. 450 is up there and 460 is the highest I recall hearing about but I'm NOT an expert. That car had better have an intercooler, exhaust, a small pile of electronics, and have been running on race gas to come close to that. The OEM fuel system maxes out at around 500RWHP after some mods are made to remove restrictions so he's pushing it. With a small shot of nitrous those figures are very believable but pushing the stock fuel system to the limit. If he's full BPU tell him to slap a single and a fuel system on there - the difference is amazing 8)

[Guest Your Car is Slow]

The new R6 somewhere around 200HP per liter

 

Yea...if you count crank horsepower(120hp). 600ccs...and only 100rwhp...sure its impressive HP per liter...but not impressive horsepower.

 

There are streetbikes making 300 - 550hp with less than 1400cc motors...

 

Horsepower Per liter is silly....thats simply a ricer excuse to take focus away from the fact that his car makes very little horsepower in comparison to other larger displacement engines.

 

Wow..gee..you make 150horsepower per liter....but you only make 200 horsepower....thats not impressive.

 

As for supras....If you like it...thats all that matters. However you are the epitome of a supra owner. Babbling on for days about how well your car COULD run if you did X, Y, and Z to it.

 

Quite frankly I could care less about the potential of a car.....Im only interested in how fast it is. Racing is full of excuses...supra owners coined most of them. All I ever hear is how these motors/trannys can take 900+ hp...yet you guys are always "not wanting to stress the car...so im taking it easy on it for now".

 

You call it a street car...yet go to the track and bolt on stickies..and put in 116 octane fuel. Neither of which you will ever have in the car driving on the street. So you pick up a few tenths in the quarter..or hell..even full seconds depending on driver and setup....so what does that prove? Nothing...the car is still that much slower on the street. You go to the track and do all those mods so you can come back to the boards and post about how fast your car went (with the appropriate excuses in place) in hopes of meeting up to the status quo with the rest of the supra community. Not to even mention the dyno queen moniker

 

Personally...the only humble and fun supra owners are the insanely high HP ones. There is one here in town pushing nearly 900 to the wheels with a huge single(SP74). Guy is one of the most intelligent..and down to earth individuals ive ever met. And his car is one of the only things around thats even a challenge to race from a 60+ mph roll. Ive never once heard an excuse from him about his car...he isnt concerned about what it COULD do if he did this/this/this. Very unlike any other supra owner ive ever met.