FEnatic Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Looking at using the Ford EDIS setup on my turbo project, I went through the search posts and found no definate answer. Does the MS1 v3.0 run the EDIS setup? I know the MS2 does. From what I read, the MS1 will send it a signal and the EDIS will spark the plugs, is this right? I'm not much of an elctronics guy, more mechanical. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Yes, MS1 will send a signal to EDIS - check out the MS Forum... http://www.msefi.com/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=7c8134b2a4161b7f41ac2b151f7f0796 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobythevan Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 MSnS_Extra code on MSI v3.0 hardware will also run the ford EDIS system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEnatic Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 That's the answer I needed, looks like MS1 v3.0 will do fine for me. That's why I love this forum! Thanks for the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted March 14, 2006 Administrators Share Posted March 14, 2006 YES!!!!!! V-3.0 on MS-1 will run EDIS! You will need Mega Squirt & Spark Extra programming and Mega Tune to take advantage of the EIDS. Even V-2.2 runs EDIS. We are currently setting up TWO MS-1 systems running EDIS on Datsuns. One is a MS1 V2.2 which is currently running EDIS in “spark only” config with Dual SU’s for induction in a Datsun 510, (WOW what a difference EDIS made over the OE Electronic Dizzy). The other project is myF-prepared SCCA Solo-II Z car running MS1 V. 3.0 and EDIS. Here are two threads that you should go over concerning the EDIS and Z cars… http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=103781 This thread has some good info and pics of the EDIS Test bench in operation... http://www.msefi.com/viewtopic.php?t=14920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The V32 board will support EDIS w/o the Extra code. If you don't need the following features, I would go with MSII: Injector Staging Overboost Protection Decel Enrichment Coolant temp tiiming advance Idle temp timing retard Traction Control Over Run Fuel Cut AfterStart Enrichments Cranking Priming Settings RPM based fuel enrichment I am seriously considering going w/MSII for my '83 ZXT because I haven't come across enough reasons that MSI would outperform the MSII with the large injectors I am planning on using.... I am of course open to all arguements that would disabuse me of this inclination... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted March 15, 2006 Administrators Share Posted March 15, 2006 We are considering MS-II for one of our customers N/A L-28 powered ’73 Z for similar reasons. He won’t need any of those extra goodies yet he does want EDIS, and I’m sure the higher resolution of control that MS-II brings to the table vs MS-1, won’t hurt drivability…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEnatic Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 Yes, but if MS1 is cheaper and offers more why not go with it? It will give you room to add anything later right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I'm not sure a turbo needs theextras inMSnS_E, but I am looking at Megashift, which will be MSII only and eventually maybe UMS. This will be for the '75 TT SBC project. Debating on MSI or II for the '83ZXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-ya Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 So far I have not found that I need anything that MS1 can't provide. I'm using a V3 mainboard for my supercharged L28 EDIS project. I plan on using the basic MS features with EDIS and rev limit. I may use the water injection feature too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobythevan Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 The only thing I know of that MSII provides and Extra MSI does not is GM idle air control (stepper IAC) Extra MSI only does FORD pulse width modulation idle control. It would be nice to have the stepper control, but I want NOS injector staging, water injection control, and knock detection that the Extra MSI provides for my current projects. Thats right, I said NOS, might as well play with everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 If I am readin gthe MSII site correctly, it does handle knock detection. I believe there is a daughtercard available for the other functions. I'm thinking that the increased resolution of MSII and large injectors on the ZXT would be a good thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I'm trying to decide between ms1v3 and ms2v3. As I understand it I need the ms2v3 to have coil per plug ,and then I only need 1 crank sensor. Or can you only do this with eMS pro spectre version,this kit only comes built for $795.00. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 If you want COP and NOT wasted spark, if you have 6 cylinders then you need MSI - MSII can do 4 cyl. COP though. For sequential COP (NOT Wasted SPark) you need to have both a crank sensor and a cam sensor (or a signal from a distributor will do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cramer Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Nitrous injection and water injection at the same time can turn into ice injection, way too easily. The eMS-Pro can fire six cylinders in wasted spark. They do need external ignitors. The guys at Spectre are partial to LS1 coils - they have built in ignitors and can work great in wasted spark mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-ya Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 See this thread for more info on LS1 coils: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=120533 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Thanks guys I have been reading a lot of MS threads and it seems to me that most people would rather the MS1 not the MS2.I was wondering why when the MS2 has 3 times the processing speed,surely if it gets the backing of more experienced users it has the potential to be a better ecu than MS1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cramer Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 The MS2 only gained the ability to drive multiple coils about a month ago with the MS2/Extra firmware, and the MS1 has a few more outputs available. But I think the biggest reason is that the MS1 gets the job done on a lower budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 When you are talking about building a car, $100.00 odd on managment is more of an investment isnt it. Do you concider that the quicker speed memory gives advantages in smoothness etc. Or say for example ,you run knock sensing retard .Would doing the math 3 times faster not be a great advantage, reading and responding to the input quicker. I just think that if MS2 gets the kind of support MS1 gets it could be hugely better than MS1, with that processing speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-ya Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Right now the MS-I processor has more than enough cycles to handle everything you can do with extra code. The only time I find where the processor runs out of cycles is when burning a new map. Not always, but sometimes you will get a stumble or two when loading a new map. Now if MS-II could do full sequential fuel and spark, and your project had a redline of 12K RPM, you could use the additional processing speed. But where the MS-II extra does most everything that MS-I extra does, there really isn't a need. Even with large injectors and small opening times, it is not the processor that can't keep up, it is the injectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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