gb20 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Showing how much of a noob I am, did the 351w come with efi? If so, what year(s)? Tried to search but didn't find much. Thanks gb20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The 95 Cobra R came with the efi 351W . The F150 started efi in 86 I beleive and went through 96. Also the F150 Lightning came with from 93-95. The trucks came with the speed density setup on them. I'm not sure about the Cobra R. In 94 some F150's with the 5.0 (302) came with the mass air setup and it will work on the 351W the sensors from a 5.0. Thats what I use on my 393W stroker in my 94 F150. I've just switched to a 95 GT ecu and it made a big difference. I'm still gathering parts for my 77 280Z. Soon to have a 5.0 T-5 combo, with a grafted 91 Mustang peddle assy. Hope the info helps. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 23, 2006 Author Share Posted April 23, 2006 Thanks for the info. Good to know. Also, would the engine from an F150 be a good pick for a Z? Thanks again. gb20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Well the truck blocks came with the roller cams in 94, both 302 and 351's. I'm not sure what year they started with the 302, but I know it was 94 for the 351. The cams are not performance at all. I've been running the E303, but I just changed to to the F303. The Ford Motorsports cams. If you go with a 351, go for the gusto, stroke it. Building a 393 from a 351W, it uses a 3.85 stroke crank, 351W rods, and late model 302 or 5.0 pistons. On eBay, you can get the crank for $150, the pistons , from $200 and up, depending on what your looking for. Or you can get a complete kit fairly resonable. The one thing to keep in mind, is that the 302 piston that you use, will be around 1.6 to 1 higher compression in a 393. I thought I was running 9.9 , and they turned out to be 11.5. It sounded like a diesel. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 23, 2006 Author Share Posted April 23, 2006 So if I go to a junk yard, I would want to get the harness and computer along with the engine, correct? Then do the upgrades to get the performance? Thanks for all the info. gb20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Yes if you are going with a 302. But if you go with a 351, get the computer and harness from a Mustang GT, 89-95. The ecu is the EEC-IV programed for mass air. If you plan on going with a 351, get one from a 94-96 F150 or F250, because they came with a roller cam. Except the Lightning engines. I know the 93 Lightning blocks were not roller blocks. The 94 & 95 may be, I'm not certain. I do know they came with flat tappet cams. The number on the block to look for starts with F4. I hope this info helps. Lmoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Thank you very much, that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to help out a noob. gb20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Your welcome, anytime. Just glad that I could help out. I've been playing with the 393W stroker in my truck for 5 years now. Upgrading a little at a time. Its amazing how much more it makes over the 302. I can punch it at 75 or 80 MPH and it will put back in the seat. And that is in a full sized truck, just imagine what it woukd be like in a light Z car. I'm going to get my feet wet with a 302 first, to see how much fun that is. Then I'm going for the gusto, if I can afford it, or talk my wife into it. I'm going to stroke one out to a 427W and put it into my second 77 280Z that I have. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Sounds like a nice kick in the pants. Gonna start getting everything together, and hopefully get it done by the middle of next year (have to wait till I get a garage). Thanks again. gb20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 It really is and I know where your coming from, when you say that you need a garage. It took me five years to get my shop. Its a 30 by 30 metal building, but I only can use around a 12 by 22 area in it, if that much. My wife keeps filling it up on me. I can barely get my truck in and close the door, with about three inches to spare. No room to work on it with the door closed at all. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 I'm trying to talk my wife into buying a house so we can put a nice shop in there. Oh, and the whole stable, nice place to live thing too. The dreams of a young Z owner huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Well young Z owner, I don't know about that. I cruising in on that half century mark real soon. The first Hybrid Z car that I saw, was back in 1975 wjth a 289-C4 combo. A girl that I was dating, her older brother owned it. You talk about something that would get up and go, that one would. I was driving a 67 Mustang at the time and walked off and left me. I can't remember if he had a 2 or a 4 barrel carb on it. The 77 280Z that I'm going to start with has some rust issues, but a clear title and that makes quite a difference. I took and installed the 5.0 that came in my truck, along with a T-5 tranny, just to see if I could do it. My wife bought the car at a mini storage auction, for $5.00. The said thing is that I done all that work. Then tried to get tags for it, and was told that I didn't have the right paper work by the Texas DPS. I went back to the storage facility and they told me that was all they had. So I looked and looked, and found this one on eBay. The motor was froze up, so I thought it would be a perfect canidate for the convertion. My wife has put another project in front of mine now. Got go again before it gets dark. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 All that work just to be told you can't do anything with it. That really bites. My first Z was a 280 for my 17th b-day. Someone tried to steal it and ended up on a rock in my front yard. The rock actually went through the floor, and into the engine. Just bought a 260 a few weeks ago and got all the DVM stuff this past Saturday. It's nice to drive a Z again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Well I think that can get what is called a bonded title for the first one, I'm not sure yet though. The one that I got off eBay in Ft. Worth that has the title. The motor was froze up when I got it, but I worked on it for around three days and got the motor unstuck, also running. The bad thing is the oil rings are stuck to the pistons I think. Because it smokes quite a bit when you excellerate. It took me a few weeks or months rather, to get the Grimlins out and to get it ready for inspection. Now with the new emissions test where I live, the way it smokes, I don't think it will pass inspection. I've got a 83 280Z that was wrecked and no motor or tranny. That I'm going to try and use the rear disc brake setup off of on this 77. Before I do the 302 conversion. I have a 4.6L SOHC and tranny from a 2001 Crown Vic Police car , that I believe will fit. I've thought about trying it in there. My wife drives a 95 Cougar with the 4.6L SOHC and revs quick. I still like the 393W better though. A kit is around $700.00 I think and it is complete with rings and bearings. They have dropped the prices a bunch, since I bought my first crank. I paid $475.00 for my first crank and $250.00 for the second. Now you can get the crank for $150.00 and its knife edged so you don't have to do as clearancing on the block. Well good luck on your 260. I get started and can't stop. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 Thanks for all your help. I can already feel the "while I'm at it" disease coming on. These cars can be the addiction. I'll do the interior now while I wait for a garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 There you go. I've got to do that also. I was telling about the gremlins that I had. Well, my radio does not power up , unless the headlights are turned on. One of the privious owners, done a number in the wiring, inside the car. I don't know what I would have done, without the good information that I have gotten from this site. Its funny to see so ideas that I have thought of, already been done here. I just found this site by accident, around a year ago. I've looked at and read most of the post. LMoore56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 I just got done smoothing out the center console and heater panel. Painted them metalic blue. My sterio only plays cds, no radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Well my antenna cord is to short. So at the moment, CD's is all mine will play also. AS for my interior, I am going to try and make my seat covers. My wife bought a storage unit, that was full of different types of material, from cloth to leather or fake leather, to make my seat covers. Along with the sewing machine. I'm going give it a shot. I've been thinking about putting rings in my engine, so I can start driving it. I would like to see what kind of power it has before I put my 5.0 in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb20 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 I just went and bought an auto upholstry book. Pretty good stuff. I hope to do all the interior stuff myself, and hopefully learn how to do all the exterior and engine stuff myself. Especially if I'm going to put a v-8 in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMoore56 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I never thought about a upholstry book. Where did you find it? Are you going with a 351 or what. If you get a low intake, it should fit ok. I found a 1969 Mustang Cobra Jet hood scoop, that I'm going with on the one with the 351 based engine. The scoop lines up real well with the lines on the hood. That will give me a couple of inches more clearance. I'll have to trim just a hair off the front, to get to mount just right. I've also got a set of AC Cobra headers that I'm going to try to use. All I need are the side pipes. I'm going to be the biggest part of the work, if not all, including the paint. I have already done a little painting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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