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Properly Wiring Guages To minimize draw and heat


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I attached a picture of my dash just to show you the layout-- which really isnt important, but the long and short of it is-- I will have in total about 9 Guages that all need their own power both to operate and for the lights. So far general operation has been fine, but with all the other accesories on (heat, radio, fans etc) the guages are like the straw that broke the camels back and the volts drop considerably when they are illuminated for night driving. I am on the stock alternator so i understand that could be it, but I know for sure that the guages are wired improperly. Essentially I have one main line coming off the stalk which has all 7 guages wired to the wire-- like a large fork if you will.

 

Should they be wired in series? Is there a power distro block I should get for this type of thing? The last thing I need is an electircal fire---

 

Thanks,

ERic

 

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Awesome pic...I really like your dash.

 

I agree that you should look into upgrading your alternator to a larger, internally regulated unit. The stock alt. is not going to be large enough if you have modified the car. As far as wiring is concerned, if you are worried about the electrical load passing through the stalk you should consider using a relay to seperate any large currents from passing through any old wiring in the car.

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Screw the gauges, you need to concern yourself with how your shoulder harness are mounted first!!! In no way is that bar sufficiently strong enough, and it's also way too high. Should be pretty simple to fix, but it's offering you false safety at this point.

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I'm going to say that Amp draw is Amp draw whether it's on one line or on many lines.

 

if the wire and the fuses are made to suit, the amperage drop will still be the same. technically speaking, the thicker wire will consume more heat energy in conductivity of the cross sectional width of the conductor core itself (don't measure the insulation thickness, it goes by core thickness). But that doesn't change the fact that you have plenty more gauges than issued from factory, which came with a shitty alternator to start.

 

It will most likely benefit greatly from an alternator swap to a larger 70 - 110 amp unit.

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the thicker wire will consume more heat energy in conductivity of the cross sectional width of the conductor core itself

 

If I read this correctly, it would be less.

 

The larger the conductor, (based on load requirements), less overall wattage will be eaten up by the wire. (in the form of voltage)

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I not going argue that you corrected me, woldson... good eye! (heck I'm blind in my right one anyways. haha)

 

While true, I wouldn't say that it is being "eaten up". that's assuming that a thinner wire is eating less voltage. But in reality, it is restricting the transfer of energy and that is why it gets hot. It's the same as traffic on a highway.

 

Technically you are only seeing a better percentage of overall useable wattage passing through the larger wire... The wattage is still in fact the same, but some of it is expelled as heat throughout the thinner conductor that is suffering from a voltage/amperage pile-up. and that's why it gets hotter when it's thinner.

 

But it's the congestion in thinner wires and the temperature increase that makes thinner wires better for long range transfers. as the longer it is, the better it can transfer that heat energy along the entire length conductor, and not lose complete voltage in long lengths, as really large conductors do.... and it also allows the thinner wire to keep a strong voltage signal and minimal heat, the longer you go.

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But it's the congestion in thinner wires and the temperature increase that makes thinner wires better for long range transfers. as the longer it is, the better it can transfer that heat energy along the entire length conductor, and not lose complete voltage in long lengths, as really large conductors do.... and it also allows the thinner wire to keep a strong voltage signal and minimal heat, the longer you go.

 

A wire that is heating up is not properly sized for its application. If there is heat, there is voltage drop. Voltage drop = amperes x (total resistance of the length of cable in ohms). If you used a 20 gauge single wire cable to transfer 100watts at 12 volts (or 8.3 amperes) 2 feet you would have a voltage drop of 1.4%. (FYI: The recommended maximum drop in voltage is 2%.) An 8 gauge single wire cable doing the same job would have a voltage drop of 0.0089%.

 

 

Granted an 8 gauge single wire cable is certainly overkill but, it was just an example to show that the larger wire has less voltage drop.

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But it's the congestion in thinner wires and the temperature increase that makes thinner wires better for long range transfers.

 

Not sure where you got that one from either?

ShifterZero is correct in saying that a larger conductor will lose less voltage. This is because there is less resistance in a larger conductor. Also, the longer you cable, the more resistance you have which in turn means more loss of voltage.

 

So I don't know where you are getting this idea of a thin cable being used for long distance transfer?

 

In regards to the question at hand. The terminal block drax posted will work fine. If you want something more compact, don't be afraid of running a larger wire to the instruments and then crimping/soldering off to several smaller wires.

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I guess I'm thinking of data applications rather than power transfer. maybe there's a whole other side to this?

 

I'm not an electrician, but I've certainly ran a lot of data transfer wires that have a required length, and a length you should not exceed...

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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I guess I'm thinking of data applications rather than power transfer. maybe there's a whole other side to this?

 

I'm not an electrician, but I've certainly ran a lot of data transfer wires that have a required length, and a length you should not exceed...

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

Sure. Data transfer is all about the integrity of the waveform. A completely different ballgame than just transferring power. But getting into that would be far too off topic. :lol:

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I love the analogies. Just as an FYI I ordered 4 10 gang terminals from delcity- Although I have to say they havent processed my order and I placed it 2 days ago--- Maybe they jsut wont charge me-- who knows. Regardless, I combined that with low draw 220 degree LED lights in the autometers...

 

http://www.superbrightleds.com/mini-wedge.html

 

They are the top ones--- 5 way 220 degree. Hopefully will illuminate those bad boys to where the light looks even. Ordered in natty white.

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