stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 hey guys, so i just for the third time swapped in a l28et in my car. i just finished the wiring and the fuel pump and everything is working fine. i was ready to start the engine but when i cranked it the started felt like it lost grip of the fly wheel. I tried to crank it again and the starter isnt making contact with anything, it just keeps spinning. i thought maybe it was because of low battery(which shouldn't be the problem) so i hooked up some jumper cables to a running car and still the same thing. so then i got one of my extra starters, when i put it in the same thing. I already turned the crank over with a socke wrench by the crank pulley, and it was turning fine. i cant figure out why my starter wont turn the engine. note: i built this block so i put on the head plus timing and the clutch and fly wheel on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboHLS30 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 maybe the flywheel is on wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 on wrong how? i know the teeth are facing the right way. what could i have done to mess it up? oh and starter number 3 is just grinding...maybe it is a bad battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatBlack Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I was ready to start the engine but when I cranked it the started felt like it lost grip of the fly wheel. I tried to crank it again and the starter isnt making contact with anything, it just keeps spinning. i thought maybe it was because of low battery(which shouldn't be the problem) so I hooked up some jumper cables to a running car and still the same thing. So then I got one of my extra starters, when I put it in the same thing. You can take the starters to AutoZone and test them to see if they are actually engaging. It's unlikely that two went bad but it will rule out the starters being the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 well i have tried three starters now, and i know two of them worked for sure, in fact i was using one of the yesterday with no problems...im just charging my battery now in hopes that its the problem:( is there anything else i could be missing guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skib Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 if you think its a power issue, check your pos/neg cables for corrosion too. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why i had little or now power and thought it was the battery but the cables had corroded underneath the insulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 ok so i think turboHLS30 is right, i checked the clearance between the teeth on the flywheel and block and is 1/2 inch, while on my non turbo lock its a 1/4 of an inch. what did i do wrong? i torqued the bolts to the flywheel to spec. i dont get how its sitting back to far, anyone know what went wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatBlack Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 ok so i think turboHLS30 is right, i checked the clearance between the teeth on the flywheel and block and is 1/2 inch, while on my non turbo lock its a 1/4 of an inch. what did i do wrong? i torqued the bolts to the flywheel to spec. i dont get how its sitting back to far, anyone know what went wrong? On automatic cars there is a round plate on the back of the crank - did you take it off or leave it on? IIRC It looked to be about 1/4" thick. The idea popped into my head earlier but I didn't want to suggest pulling the tranny without a good reason to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboHLS30 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 flip the flywheel around and see if it works then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 that sounds like it could be it. i didnt even think about that nor do i know what this thing even looks like. how do i remove it(after i remove the fly wheel and clutch ofcourse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboHLS30 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 How do you remove what??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 On automatic cars there is a round plate on the back of the crank - did you take it off or leave it on? IIRC It looked to be about 1/4" thick. The idea popped into my head earlier but I didn't want to suggest pulling the tranny without a good reason to. how do i remove the round plate, im just wondering because i didnt notice it so i dont know what it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboHLS30 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 well if you didnt notice it you didnt remove it so make it easy on yourself and just turn the flywheel around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarang Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Turn the flywheel around?? How does that work? Where would the clutch go?.... The auto spacer plate looks like the end of the crank itself. You will have to remove the tranny and flywheel to see if is on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Turn the flywheel around?? How does that work? Where would the clutch go?.... The auto spacer plate looks like the end of the crank itself. You will have to remove the tranny and flywheel to see if is on there. thank you, i kept thinking the same thing to myself. hey so uh, ive dropped the tranny a couple of times but, both times i drained the fluid. i dont really want to have to do that again. have you guys have any luck with dropping the tanny with out having to drain it first. i don't want the drive shaft to accidentally slip out and cover my driveway with fluid. any quick opinions on this would be great as i want to do this in a couple of hours. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatBlack Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 well if you didnt notice it you didnt remove it so make it easy on yourself and just turn the flywheel around Haha I don't think anyone who is swapping out a clutch themselves is going to mistake which side of the flywheel goes on the clutch side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Let's hope not. Just do all that painful work to get to the clutch, take off the clutch, remove plate, reverse steps. Go play. But... before you go through that agonizing task, take the starters and make sure the bendix's check out. That's the little clutch that moves the starter gear to engage the ring gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger.svoboda Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 If you duct tape a plastic bag or sheet around the tail of the tranny you won't get leakage. It will contain small amounts of fluid due to tipping the tranny but if you keep it level as much as possible you won't get any uncontrolled leakage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsun79z Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 have you guys have any luck with dropping the tanny with out having to drain it first. Get a second drive shaft good or bad, it does not matter. Cut the front part of the drive shaft off (the part that fits into the transmission). Leave the front U joint in place. It can be used as a handle. Remove your good drive line. Insert your new "transmission plug/tool" into the transmission and secure it in place. You can now drop the tranny with out loosing and tranny fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravi757 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 hey guy, so i dropped the tranny and it turned out it was that little adapter. put everything back together and the car fired right up, im running a little rough though and i cant figure out why. anyways thanks for all your help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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