Heavy Z

Another 400 hp video passing a vette & 911 around a track if you're interested: http://www.cpdserver.com/elisetalk/video/ForcedFed/400hp-pass.mpg

Thought I'd give you guys an update. I went to my brother's place over the weekend and got a chance to see what the car can do. I want one in the worst way now, most impressive in the twisties but I really love that engine too. Here's some photoshop work I did on pics my brother shot on sunday:

Yes, very impressive. The last pic was actually a storm in Perth Australia back in June(I saved the same pic), they must've thrown that one in because it looked so ominous.

The topgear vid with the 300hp supercharged Atom is my favorite. From what I've heard Atoms prepped for the US will cost close to $45k, so the price of an Elise isn't far off.

Quote: Originally Posted by Battle Pope As much as the Elise/Exige rocks.. the Ariel Atom rocks even more. You can!! There is a company bringing them to the U.S. with all necessary components for street registration. I was at Concourso Italiano last month and saw one registered in California.

He paid around $44k for the car.

I'm tempted to upgrade to one myself, not a bad price for what you get. Link fixed.

Hi everyone, my brother just bought a 2005 Lotus Elise after years of owning modified Alfas. Only 3000 miles with a great sounding custom exhaust. After everything I've read and now driving one I'd say this is a car you guys would appreciate for sure. Not as fast as the Z, but it doesn't feel slow at all. 1950 lbs and a toyota 2zz 1.8 4 cylinder at 190hp gets it to 60 in 5 seconds stock. A factory supercharger upgrade is coming out, and I've also posted a track video of a 400hp turbo version. Nice to see lightweight sportscars still being made, anyone else out there into these cars? Elise video: http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=399218

Davy, Maybe these guys can help you out, unless you plan on doing the assembly work locally:) http://www.speedomotive.com/425%20H.P.%20STRONG%20ARM%20400%20STREET%20MASTER.htm ASSEMBLED SHORT BLOCK: $1,995.00 free shipping BORE =.4.165" DECK = 9.00 ROD LENGTH = 5.7 LONG ROD ROD RATIO .1.52 PEAK TORQUE =474 @ 4,000rpm PEAK H.P. = 425 @ 5,500rpm Quench = .045 ASSEMBLED SHORT BLOCK INCLUDES: PRECISION GROUND GM 3.750 STROKE CRANK GM 5.7 RODS WITH ARP WAVE LOC BOLTS PROBE FORGED DISH TOP PISTONS, ZERO DECK COMPRESSION RATIO:64cc=10.4-1, 72cc=9.6-1, 76cc=9.3-1 TOTAL SEAL MAX MOLY RING SET, 1/16-1/16-3/16 CLEVITE MAIN & ROD FEL-PRO REAR MAIN SEAL GM 2 BOLT 400 BLOCK - FULLY MACHINED EXPERT ASSEMBLY - BALANCED TO WITHIN 1/2 GRAM WHEN FLYWHEEL & DAMPER ARE ADDED

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Thanks everyone for the help, I'm on vacation so sorry for not getting a response in sooner. A 406 sounds like the way to go, they sell a short block through the same link above for $1900, I'll shop around but plan to roll with big cubes and some nice heads (thx for the info on that, Pete). But then with the right heads, I guess the 414 isn't much more...

Hi everyone, I've been considering a 377 for a while and came across something different. It's an interesting long-rod, 3.562 stroke motor. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or constructive input. I'm looking at a kit from speedomotive (http://www.speedomotive.com) - these guys have quite an assortment of stroker kits and assembled short blocks. I know Grumpy usually says go big rather than smaller with a 400 block, but I like the power curve it makes when run through DD2000. Here is what the kit includes for just under $1,600: 4130 FORGED STEEL 3.562" CRANK 4340 FORGED STEEL H-BEAM RODS 6.125" LONG WITH 7/16" ARP CAP SCREW BOLTS JE FORGED FLAT-TOP PISTONS: 58cc=12-1, 64cc=11-1, 70cc=10.5-1, 76cc=9.7-1 SPEED PRO CAST 1/16 RING SET CLEVITE H-SERIES MAIN & ROD BEARINGS Also, I've got RPM heads right now that are great for my 327 but 170cc intake runners are a bit small for this sucker. If I go AFR heads, any thoughts on IR size recommendations? I like this combo as it produces great torque, has longer rods than I thought would fit, and is unusual. Any thoughts guys?

Here's a better look at the nondisclosure agreement Rove signed. Even if he didn't leak the info, he would be in violation if he confirmed it to outside sources. Taken from Yubanet, organized by Rep. Waxman, citations included so you can check the law out for yourself and come to your own conclusions. KARL ROVE'S NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT Executive Order 12958 governs how federal employees are awarded security clearances in order to obtain access to classified information. It was last updated by President George W. Bush on March 25, 2003, although it has existed in some form since the Truman era. The executive order applies to any entity within the executive branch that comes into possession of classified information, including the White House. It requires employees to undergo a criminal background check, obtain training on how to protect classified information, and sign a "Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement," also known as a SF-312, promising not to reveal classified information.1 The nondisclosure agreement signed by White House officials such as Mr. Rove states: "I will never divulge classified information to anyone" who is not authorized to receive it.2 THE PROHIBITION AGAINST "CONFIRMING" CLASSIFIED INFORMATION Mr. Rove, through his attorney, has raised the implication that there is a distinction between releasing classified information to someone not authorized to receive it and confirming classified information from someone not authorized to have it. In fact, there is no such distinction under the nondisclosure agreement Mr. Rove signed. One of the most basic rules of safeguarding classified information is that an official who has signed a nondisclosure agreement cannot confirm classified information obtained by a reporter. In fact, this obligation is highlighted in the "briefing booklet" that new security clearance recipients receive when they sign their nondisclosure agreements: Before confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure.3 THE INDEPENDENT DUTY TO VERIFY THE CLASSIFIED STATUS OF INFORMATION Mr. Rove's attorney has implied that if Mr. Rove learned Ms. Wilson's identity and occupation from a reporter, this somehow makes a difference in what he can say about the information. This is inaccurate. The executive order states: "Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information."4 Mr. Rove was not at liberty to repeat classified information he may have learned from a reporter. Instead, he had an affirmative obligation to determine whether the information had been declassified before repeating it. The briefing booklet is explicit on this point: "before disseminating the information elsewhere ... the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified."5 "NEGLIGENT" DISCLOSURE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION Mr. Rove's attorney has also implied that Mr. Rove's conduct should be at issue only if he intentionally or knowingly disclosed Ms. Wilson's covert status. In fact, the nondisclosure agreement and the executive order require sanctions against security clearance holders who "knowingly, willfully, or negligently" disclose classified information.6 The sanctions for such a breach include "reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions."7 THE WHITE HOUSE OBLIGATIONS UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER 12958 Under the executive order, the White House has an affirmative obligation to investigate and take remedial action separate and apart from any ongoing criminal investigation. The executive order specifically provides that when a breach occurs, each agency must "take appropriate and prompt corrective action."8 This includes a determination of whether individual employees improperly disseminated or obtained access to classified information. The executive order further provides that sanctions for violations are not optional. The executive order expressly provides: "Officers and employees of the United States Government ... shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently ... disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified."9 There is no evidence that the White House complied with these requirements. ENDNOTES * 1 Executive Order No. 12958, Classified National Security Information (as amended), sec. 4.1(a) (Mar. 28, 2003) (online at http://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy_documents/executive_order_12958_amendment.html). * 2 Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, Standard Form 312 (Prescribed by NARA/ISOO) (32 C.F.R. 2003, E.O. 12958 ) (online at http://contacts.gsa.gov/webforms.nsf/ 0/03A78F16A522716785256A69004E23F6/$file/SF312.pdf). * 3 Information Security Oversight Office, National Archives and Records Administration, Briefing Booklet: Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement (Standard Form 312), at 73 (emphasis added) (online at http://www.archives.gov/isoo/training/standard_form_312.pdf). * 4 Executive Order No. 12958, sec. 1.1(. * 5 Briefing Booklet, supra note 3, at 73. * 6 Executive Order No. 12958, sec. 5.5( (emphasis added). * 7 Id. at 5.5©. 8 Id. at 5.5(e)(1). 9 Id. at 5.5(.

Thanks for the info Hanns, it must be another model unless the tech guy I spoke with at BG told me wrong. He said jets and squirters were the same. I'll call them back at some point to settle it as you've got me curious.

Well, close to impossible. Without the idle easy feature I had my carb off way more than expected to get it right, but now I look at the frustration as a learning experience that was totally worth it. Best of luck Joe, keep us posted.

Just so you'll know how I got my speed demon 650...My friend Nick bought it for his mustang w/ a 390 and a 244 duration cam...car never ran right, lots of popping and unsuccessful tuning...Barry Grant told him speed demons weren't designed for his cam and to buy a mighty demon. He did and his problem was solved, and I got a barely used speed demon. I hope this is helpful as you may not want to deal with this sort of trouble. Below is Barry Grant's application guide to help you in the selection. As for the choke, I used to have(and need) one on my old holley. My speed demon has no choke, and I didn't need it as the car ran great all winter to the point that even if I had a choke I wouldn't have used it. Granted this is a Cali winter and not Illinois, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. A call to BG may help you out as maybe they have a better answer than mine. http://www.barrygrant.com/demon/default.aspx?page=5 My speed demon was made before their new 'idle easy' screw was added, so yours will be easier to tune. The manual you get w/ the carb will cover basic tuning, here's more for you: 1. make sure initial timing is within the range of the above link 2. set prim/secondary butterflies so the fuel slot forms a square 3. set mixture screws to 1 1/2 turns out 4. bring in butterflies EQUALLY to lower idle (this is where your idle easy screw comes in handy). 5. adjust mixture screws for maximum vacuum w/o going lean 6. BG says keep jet sizes for the primaries and secondaries 8 apart (example: 70/78 ), so any sizeup should be uniform. I went from 67/73 on my old holley to 70/78 on the demon with no problems. Funny thing was I tried this combo with my holley before but it ran too rich. 7. any bogging or hesitation off the line or from primary to secondary can usually be remedied by going with larger squirters. I had to go up 4 sizes on the primary and 7 on the secondary circuit to get optimal smoothness on my application. The carb will include a video that covers a lot of info, let me know if I can be of any more help. Brett

Davy, If I had to buy a new cab over, I'd do the same thing again. Having a holley and a demon carb side by side and you see all the cool stuff Barry Grant did to improve on the old design. Driveablity is noticeably better overall and there is definitely a power increase. I did have to run larger squirters over the holley to get it to be smooth all the way around. The transition from primaries to secondaries is seamless and it kicks you back into the seat more than the holley could. Especially noticeable at highway speeds. Not sure on hp gain, but down in second gear it moved the rpm at which my tires break loose 500 rpms lower than the holley and the car feels as fast as it used to be with just me in the car now when I have a passenger.

Joe, The proform main body is a $100 direct replacement to upgrade (to 810-820 cfm if I remember correctly) your old cracked holley. Very cheap way to fix your problem and increase cfm. If yours is vacuum, I'm not sure if this includes what you'll need to go manual. Go to summit to have a look or google "proform main body." I used to have a holley 650 dp w/ mechanical secondaries but upgraded to a speed demon 650 6 months ago. Demon carbs are fantastic, they have great response and power once you get used to the differences in tuning over a holley. It is very adjustable - if you buy one get ahold of me and I'll save you some time by sharing what I've learned. Also, if your cam is above 240 duration @.050 then you'll need a mighty demon as the speed demons are set up for 220-240 duration cams.

I'm so sorry to hear the news Larry, my thoughts are with you and your family. Brett

You may have seen it in the news last week...sooo cool, and homebuilt no less! http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/THE%20BIONIC%20DOLPHIN.htm

I thought Cali only requires a front bumper. I haven't run the Z rear bumper and on past cars either, maybe they don't enforce this one?

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3214919 Man carrying homemade sword, hatchet, knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood (just killed two neighbors) allowed into the U.S. at northern border.