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yeah i know i have been there- it looks like that only those with the rack and pinion stearing need these.... Or is that wrong? or does he need this as well?

Danke shen, which headers will I be needing? Thanks again. The Vega

It's a 280ZX 1982. Non-turbo. I'll probably e-mail them, but I just wanted to ask you guys just because it's easier. And no, I have not heard about that website. I'll check it out. I know they're mostly 240Zs, but they have a 280ZX kit now and I wanted to know which parts out of it I will be needing - seeing that they don't have a exact package deal on that kit. Although - I also have another friend with a 300ZX (z31) I beilive it was a 87 non-turbo he got a from a yard perfect condition except the tranny. So I was curious if there was a kit for a v8 too. THANX ANGAIN ALL!

looked at that all- you guys got any thing else? thanx!

um anyone ? anyone at all got any answers for me please? any help would be great!

oops forgot that i have been there too. are there any kits out there with some real large fender flairs? that is what we are really hooping for the msa could be a start i work with fiber glass all the time so i could modify that existing kit. but i just don't wan to start something from scratch.

I've got a buddy with a 280zx and vic british and arizona are not cutin' it for us- we are looking for boddy kits (any and all- no matter there depth in hideous crulity towards the orginality of the car) we don't care- but prefereably ont he net- and future ref- it does not look like arizona z cars are do'in body kits for the Zs any more is that true- ???? - maybe i am hitning the wrong part of the site- anyhow can't find it there- it also maybe that i am completly ignorant as well...

OK which of the parts am i going to need out of this to do the swap? https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Datsun-ZX_Order.html#cooling it doth be a 280zx i've got the 240 soon to have that 500cid block in there if you all remember me. WHOO go lots of no time to work on the z!

Also could you ask him if i could grab his email? That would be great if you could!

So your saying all I need to do is buy the old - Olds cossmember that has the motor mounts on it and replace the old crossmeber with that? That is after I take out the engine of course. "Scarab mounts from Hooker and the Chevy truck w/ Olds diesel mounts" Or did he combine the two of these so it will work??? I'm a little confused. Or is the kit not even nessisary? I know that it is better to have it back and low though. What is the "Hooker" website? Could this be done with the JTR kit instead? What rear end did he use to handle that kind of power? r200? What year was his 280z? Roughly how much did his 280z weigh after the swap do you think. I know the caddy 500 weighs about 610 and is the most light bb of the time but i'm not so sure how much the olds 455 wieghed and how much the 280z weighs. I'm going to talk to a buddy of mine and see if this makes more sense to him. Anyhow keep me posted after talking with that friend of yours. I will probably have the rest of the questions becasue at this point I'm not quite sure what to ask yet, and I know my friend will he is the "god of the car". Thanks for the help so far, it is greatly appreciated.

Ok I did some searching here I know one of you guys mentioned the taht you "knew a guy" that had done it. Well one guy did post that he did it here although it wasn't much help and he hasn't emailed me back yet (in his post he said mail me if you want to know how to do it) So does ANYONE know FOR SURE what is involved in the olds 455 swap in a 240z also instead of a 240z do you all think i should get a 260z. I'm not going to buy the thing until I am ABSULUTLY sure what is going to go on through out this project. Well for the most part there is always going to be problems... HELP! thanks everyone.

god do i feel stupid.

well what's your email?

The guy that I found on here by searching that did an olds 455 swap used a scareb kit and 7?-87' motor mounts for a cevy truck with the optional olds disel engine. I want to do the 455 swap the the r200 rear end, that it if its going to handle that 440hp and how ever much torque i will have after words. Stock at the crank the 68' olds 455 has 390hp and 500torque at the crank, ( or is is it gross hp - sorry I don't remeber- in any case its WAY more than the 350 and this is NOT going to be a daily driver -a sentra b14 se-r with a sr20det, a greddy profec boost controller, and with strait pipe exhast does that for me.

Just as posted, is the scareb kit still being sold or did the company go out of business. If it is still being sold, what is the web cite...please. Thanks for the help.

well send me an email when you have the chance, it will be easier for us to comunicate. Thanks. dupontlm@gdnmail.net

You estimated 255whp/305 gross on my Eldorado with a 425... NOT a 500. According to the same Chilton guide that claimed the '70 500 was rated at 400hp/550tq, my '78 Eldo 425 is rated at 180hp/260tq, a far cry from 255whp. So clearly, my 425 was underrated. Now, I'm not saying that means the 500 was underrated, too, because I'm aware that the accepted HP rating methods changed in 1972, but I have two sources supporting the high HP status of the '70 500: a 1970 issue of Motor Trend showing a '70 Eldo running a high 15 second 1/4 (on stock POS 1970 tires) in the mid/upper 80mph range (I don't have the actual numbers on hand because the magazine is at a librarty 30 minutes away). I know without the actual trap speed its hard to make a HP estimate, but I DO know it was higher than my 83 mph... probably more like 86-87mph, and it takes a lot of power to pick up 3-4mph trap speed in a 5500lb car. My second source is a bit more clear: I have a PDF document from "The Cad Company" detailing the ACTUAL HP from a '70 500 that I'll post you an excerpt from, edited for length: The base engine for the test mule is essentially built to ‘70 Eldorado specs, at 10:1 compression and with all OE replacement or actual OE parts. Bone stock it pulled 323 HP and 504 Ft-Lb of torque. This was on 93 octane pump gas with retarded timing to compensate. The stock compression (10:1 or 10.5:1) combined with the cam specs, create high cylinder pressures that require high octane (preferably leaded) fuel. We stuck to pump gas, so to reduce cylinder pressure we chose a fairly hairy street/strip cam to lower cylinder pressures. When we added a few parts to the mix, things got interesting: Edelbrock intake manifold Sanderson shorty headers Holley 1050 Dominator carb P/C 625 cam (requires 2500rpm stall converter) PC7 oil pan with windage tray We got 537 HP at 5600 RPM and 611 Ft-Lbs at 4000 RPM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looks to me like that's a pretty good motor for just about any street machine. BTW, they also weighed the motor and decked out in all-iron it was 60lbs more than an all-iron SBC. I'm a "Chevy guy", so there's no need for you to preach the virtues of the SBC to me, but at the same time you can't dispute the numbers the Cad 500 puts out, especially with the added benefit of the light weight, agreed? As for the Olds 455, I have a buildup from Hot Rod where they got 503hp/575tq with cam/heads/intake/header, along with significant durability mods. It's a lot lighter than a BBC, too. here here! any more info you could post if you care too which would be apprecieated on the olds 455 swap.

What things am I going to have to upgrade (suspension wise) to my 70 240z, to be at least a daily driver when it comes to winter (i'm in northern Minnesota) , plus be able to take the old 455 I'm going to drop in it? Winter is coming soon so HELP! thanks... also will the hiccas system from say an r34 have any benifit? Can it /has it been done? How much $ involved?

Um still no post to the vg30dett though... what kind of MPG would I get setting the PSi to 4# when this engine is in say a 70' 240z -what do you all think? (I know this is the v8 forum sorry)

Ok chiltons tells what the factory numbers were tha motor was underweighted . Yes they were gross HP but I have that motor sorry dynoed out at 430 at the flywheel. Remmeber we are getting a car that weighs 4800 pounds to move and go 135 mph. I look into that 455 old motor though thanks. Also by the way I belive the cutlass whent about 100 less horse than said before some tme durrning mid 70s for insurance reasons. so alot of those motors from the 70s were underrated remember this. Seeing you are saying there is not alot of fab fro 455 hey I'll go with that I already copied your post and looking into it. If you don't mind how much did you spend roughly for just the motor swap. You buy the JTR kit/guid?

Yesss, the caddy 500 and the olds 455 are the wave of the future.* Good luck! *a very biased pitch, I just want to see one done. Well who carries the kit, i want to avoid fabrication. That is why I like the idea of the sbc. side not: The olds engine is a good engine BUT the caddy 500 weighs less and is WAY more powerful, and plenty of performance parts for them. The GOOD big blocks go as order for Gm (old cars) the the 427 out of that corvette in 70' that had 460 horse( screw this unlss you have 80 gs - just not worht it its also ungodly rare), caddy 500 i already metioned this (I can also pick one up for about 200 bucks btw), the buick 455 out of the 70' gsx the, olds 455 out of the 68 4-4-2, and the 454 out of the 70' chevelle ss. Ok read up on the caddy you can get aluminum everything for it except the block (READ MORE) there are alot of ignorant people when it come sto this engine. Here is basic view on this engine. --------------------------------------- 70' caddy 500 out of an eldorado about 425 hp 530 torque @ 2500 (almost idel) $200 with JUST and aluminum intake only 40lbs heavier than a sbc that means it IS the lightest old school big block. Plenty of parts easy to find lost of Perfomance parts -not as expensive as people think, but how much power is needed here-my god. and teh 240 z only weighs 2300 pounds so if this was in this car this is NOT a daily car with just the stock engine remember it only takes about 320hp for this car to pull low 12s. in a 4800 pound caddy it got 12 mpg on the hiway and about 8 in the city I would guess this would get about 20 on the hyway and 15 in the city if you care about MPG (i do other wise i would just build a buick gsx with a caddy 500 swap and pull stock 13s- a 70 gsx with a less powerful and hevier motor pulled 13.8s stock) So in short as long as it will fit with little pain this is the PERFECT motor out of old school muscle. just my 2 cents...maybe 3. -------------------- Hey if there is a kit oh hell yeah I'll do it. Still no answer though the vg30dett out of a 92' or so 300zxtt or the 350 out of say a 68' camaro ss - that is if there is no kit

Nice - is that where you got yours?

That does not matter to me I will learn about that engine anyway... besides a 500 cubic inch engine is going to be hard pressed to fit in a tiny 240z heck a 350 is a tight fit from what I have seen. I just care about cost. (to a certain extent)

So with NO syndrome and just the basic swap with an LSD in say a 70' 240z, how much does the BASIC swap for a V8 cost? a trubo VG30DETT? -------------- These to me after YEARS of research are the best ideas here, it took me a long time to figure out wich L6 is the best, rb this 2j that vq this all bull crap - there is a reason the worlds FASTEST and QUICKEST skyline in japan that wins ALL the races has a VG in it... just a note to those guys doing rb stuff and supra stuff. The lower you get the power the better by the way. a 0-60 street car matters more to me... that's why I've switched to muscle cars quicker for cheaper than all this new import crap. -- I'm now touching in on the z stuff completley awsome for what kind of milage you COULD get. I was looking at a 70' buick GSX with a 70' Caddy 500 swap. With an aluminum intake the engine onbly weighs 40 pounds heavier than a sbc. And has 425hp with 530 torque at only 2500rpm ...that's almost at idle! You can also pick up this engine for only 200 bucks at the junk yard. The problem is that you get about 10mpg at average 12 even on the hyway... i'm new here just thought to let people know some past stuff so you all don't think i'm a complete newbie at this. --- -------------- In any case what are the two costs -average time each? And special tools needed? And so on...