datsky Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hello all I have my transmission fluid changed a month ago with 75w-90 gear oil. New clutch master cylinder. New clutch slave cylinder and hose. The system is bleed more than 3 times. I bleed the system with proper way. In the morning, the transmission shift very smooth and easy. however, after about more than 20mins of local driving, it start to getting hard to put in gear. The pedal has good pressure, but seems the clutch is NOT getting disengaged even the pedal is on the floor. or say this way. it cant put in 1st gear even the pedal is on the floor. In order to put in gear, I may have to pump the pedal continuously to put the gear in with great effort. After the gear is in(while I'm still holding the pedal), it is very hard to pull the shifter out of gear(feels as same as pulling out of gear without pedal). All these only happen on stop-and-go situation. After the 1st gear, it shift a little better or no problem. Once the car stopped, it happen again. If I parked the car for a while til it get cold, It shift smooth again. This only happen when the car is worm up. Some people suggest is the throw out bearing got stock because they will expend after it gets hot. Have anyone experienced such situation? I don't want to changed the clutch and throw out bearing and the issue remained... any input is appreciated. thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Cheapest way would be to try different clutch MC and slave cylinders. If there is still a problem then it's gearbox out time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Pull the rubber boot off of the salve cylinder and look for fluid. It may be that the slave cylinder leaks more when it gets warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Thank you for your replies. I have changed the clutch MC and slave cylinder brand new already. The funny ( it is actually not funny at all ) thing was this problem only appear when the car is hot. What I meant was you can feel the shifter is hot like kind of hot. Then it will start to have difficulty to shift in gear. I think I will need a new clutch throw out bearing? clutch plate? or heavier weight of gear oil?? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Cheapest way would be to try different clutch MC and slave cylinders. If there is still a problem then it's gearbox out time. So the gear box out time huh? but it shifts very smooth and clean when I start the car in the morning. I means it just work as good as new tranny. I don't see any leakage from hydrolic system. . . I have very little knowledge about tranny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnusx1 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) Dragging clutch or tight pilot bushing. Probably not the throwout bearing. The clutch could be dragging due to a myriad of reasons, but a tight pilot bushing could cause similar symptoms. Edited June 4, 2011 by cygnusx1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianz Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 This may be unlikely, but check what type of oil you put in it. I know Nissan gearboxes don't shift well with certain types of gear oil due to the materials used in the synchros. I believe they like GL-4 oils but I would have to double check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Does the trans shift into first,second, third,or fourth when hot easily, with the engine NOT running?? Does the trans grind into reverse,when hot, with the engine RUNNING?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Dragging clutch or tight pilot bushing. Probably not the throwout bearing. The clutch could be dragging due to a myriad of reasons, but a tight pilot bushing could cause similar symptoms. Thanks for your reply. Sorry I have no idea what dragging clutch is. What do it do when clutch drag? For my think, Would it be the pilot bushing expend after it get hot? It seems less likely going to happen. no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 This may be unlikely, but check what type of oil you put in it. I know Nissan gearboxes don't shift well with certain types of gear oil due to the materials used in the synchros. I believe they like GL-4 oils but I would have to double check. Hope it just wrong type of oil is being used. I drain out about 1 quart of oil oil(the shop claim is 75w-90) and refill with 85-120 gear oil. However. Not too much of improvement. GL-4? Do autozone or pepboys have them for sell? thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Does the trans shift into first,second, third,or fourth when hot easily, with the engine NOT running?? Does the trans grind into reverse,when hot, with the engine RUNNING?? thanks for your reply. After the tranny get hot, it is difficult to shift in all gears, included reverse. To put in gear, I need to pump the clutch pedal many many time until it get in gear. After it gets in gear(without driving it), it dont want to pop out of gear again. I will have to pull the shifter very hard to get it out or gear. After it got out of gear, it dont want to go back in. However. if the car is moving. there will be no problem for putting in any gear. wired.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 thanks for your reply. After the tranny get hot, it is difficult to shift in all gears, included reverse. To put in gear, I need to pump the clutch pedal many many time until it get in gear. After it gets in gear(without driving it), it dont want to pop out of gear again. I will have to pull the shifter very hard to get it out or gear. After it got out of gear, it dont want to go back in. However. if the car is moving. there will be no problem for putting in any gear. wired.. Please take the time to read my post, and understand the questions, as I have taken the time to try and assist you. The questions are written to HELP diagnose YOUR problem, and are VERY SPECIFIC. An accurate response is important. Give it one more try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 Please take the time to read my post, and understand the questions, as I have taken the time to try and assist you. The questions are written to HELP diagnose YOUR problem, and are VERY SPECIFIC. An accurate response is important. Give it one more try. When tranny gets hot, it is very difficult to put into any gear. Yes, it will grind when putting in reverse. If I shut the engine, there will be no problem to shift into any gears even it is hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 When is gets hot. It feels like the fork is not pushing the throw out bearing far enough to disengage the pressure plate. However, I have a buddy push the clutch pedal for me and I watch how far the slave cylinder push. The result is the same distance. I assume there is no air in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) OK, From your answers, your clutch is not releasing. This could be mechanical, or hydraulic in nature. Your trans is fine, and the type of fluid will not matter. (at this time) All we know is you have a 5spd trans. What year, model, engine, trans, and modifications, if any, do you have??? My thought/guess is you installed a mismatched, or wrong master, and/or slave. This ASSUMES no operational issues prior to your changing the posted 3 items, FLUIDS, MASTER,and SLAVE. Check push rod length and adjustment. Edited June 7, 2011 by jasper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thank Jasper. My car is 75 280Z 2+2 5sp. Production date is Jan/1975. I wonder if anywhere I can find the model of the transmission? Or where to locate it? I don't think there is any mod have done to the car yet since this car been parked since 1992. Anyway, everywhere I check is original. The slave is identically the same as the one I taken out off the car. The pedal push rod is adjusted with little of free play. To ensure I will have clutch, I adjust the clutch pedal higher so I dont have to push the pedal all the way to the floor to disengage the clutch. A friend of mine gave me a new master cylinder to me. it looks very clean. and he said it have no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Try installing the previous master and or slave. WHY were they replaced??? Was everything operating properly prior to these changes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 The reason I replaced the Clutch Master cylinder and slave cylinder was this problem. I thought it was all caused by the worn out Master cylinder or slave cylinder. After I have them replaced, the problem remained. Things I have changed: master cylinder, clutch cylinder. hydrolic hose, and tranny fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Did it EVER work properly??? I may be wrong, but I didn't think you could get a 5spd in 1975? I believe '77& '78 it became available. You need to post ALL the RELEVANT INFORMATION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsky Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 Did it EVER work properly??? I may be wrong, but I didn't think you could get a 5spd in 1975? I believe '77& '78 it became available. You need to post ALL the RELEVANT INFORMATION The 5sp tranny start at the 77's? I thought they come-in in the 75. I have no idea has my tranny ever work properly before. I picked up my z not too long age, and this car is parked since 92. Dramatically this car got impounded at 99 and lien sale to 2nd owner at Lancaster and then lien sale to 3rd owner in Los Angeles in 2010 then lien sale to me at 2011. yea. That was the whole story. I have no idea what the previous owner had done to this car. However, it went back on road now. The tranny is the only thing makes me crazy at this point. I cant go long distance with my Z. If I cant figure out the problem, I just simply change the clutch and all the bearings. If the issue still, I JUST SELL IT AND GET ANOTHER ONE.( the another one means tranny. not the whole car. lol ) Sorry Jasper. At this point I just have no idea what other info I known from this car. . :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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