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82 ZX Barely runs when cold (If Throttle is applied)


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I've had my Z for about a year and it has always had this cold start problem. I've acctually thought it was normal for and old car, but it just doesn't seem right. Heres what it's doing. Upon cold start up, turns over just fine with no excess cranking. If i try to even give it the slightest amount of throttle while cold, the engine stumbles and backfires. It won't pick up RPM at all. Sometimes, if i give it more than 1/5 throttle when its cold, it will nearly stall for a sec (RPM drops below 500 for spit second until pedal is released) I have to wait for the cars temp to reach at least 120 before its pretty much drivable. Starts to run normal at around 140.

Heres what i've replaced involving the engine management system:

-CHTS

-IAC

-O2 Sensor

 

Car has roughly 65,000 Miles.

 

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I'm not trying to race the engine while its cold, I'm just trying to get it to acctually drive when it's cold because I prefer not to sit in the car for 10 minutes letting it idle before its drivable. I like to hop in my car and go to work as soon as I turn the key. I would highly doubt that Nissan designed this car in a way that it would be nearly impossible to drive unless it sits and idles for 10 minutes. The point I'm trying to get across here is that there has to be a problem with something in the engine management system that is NOT allowing the engine to run right.

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I've practically had to replace every single sensor/ ETC Unit on this car since i've bought it, in order for it to run right. Even had 31 Yr old tranny fluid when i bought it. So i had my car over at a Datsun specialist's shop today to get the Parking brake cables replaced, and i was discussing this issue with him. I mentioned that when i had to replace the Dist. cap and rotor, that i found a ball bearing and plastic debris under the rotor. He says repace it immediately because a major timing/vac advance component has broken inside of it, which is causing improper vaccum and timing when the car is cold.

So, I'm going to buy a new Dist. and post the results when i replace it. I'll upload a pic of the old one so you can see how trashed it looks inside.

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Ok so i got the new Dizzy in today. Installation went just fine, everything lined up and all, timed the ignition to 5 degrees. Went for a test drive, noticed less low end acceleration power, and as the RPMs climb, all of the sudden the thing just starts sputtering and backfiring, and will not rev past 4500-5000 RPM. Revving in neutral, it runs just fine. Checked all my connections again which seem fine. I am at a complete loss here. Completley dumbfounded on why this is happening. I've replaced practically everything in the EMS except for the ECU... :confused:

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Have you check the resistance on the AFM for a dead spot? What about vacuum leaks?

Vaccum lines are all intact, did a test and seems to be no leaking. When i sent the car in a few weeks ago to get new E brake cables installed, i had him check the AFM because i thought that was my problem here, but he says its fine...

 

Strange . If the car was running fine ( warmed up ) before you replaced the dist. , I'd go back and double check your work or could be bad new dist.

That would be my only logical guess. All the connectors are secure and intact, vaccum advance is connected tightly, and i re timed it. I mean unless something else just happened to go out coincedently, then my guess would be a bad Dist...  :banghead:  

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Ok so i got the new Dizzy in today. Installation went just fine, everything lined up and all, timed the ignition to 5 degrees. Went for a test drive, noticed less low end acceleration power, and as the RPMs climb, all of the sudden the thing just starts sputtering and backfiring, and will not rev past 4500-5000 RPM. Revving in neutral, it runs just fine. Checked all my connections again which seem fine. I am at a complete loss here. Completley dumbfounded on why this is happening. I've replaced practically everything in the EMS except for the ECU... :confused:

Did the new distributor fix the original, cold start (warm up) problem, or do you have a new problem in addition?  Two problems now, or one new one?

 

Have you tested the TVS (throttle valve switch, aka TPS, page EFEC-56) ?  The ECU uses it to know if the throttle is at idle, mid, or full throttle.  Your two problems seem to fit a TPS issue.

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Do the TPS test at the ECU.  Take the plug off, identify the TPS pins and do the test.  See what the ECU sees.  Then you'll know for sure.  New parts may not be communicating properly.

 

Actually, at this point, sitting by the ECU plug with the FSM and a multimeter could find you a solution.  At least you can be more confident it's not electrical and spend your time looking at the mechanical things like the various vacuum valves.

 

One off-the-beaten-path possibility is a corroded EGR passage or stuck EGR valve.  Full time EGR might cause your symptoms.  Doing the ECU tests at the ECU first makes sense though.  It's tedious but you'll probably find some things that aren't quite right.

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I investigated the new distributor more by swapping out parts from the old one to see if it would make any difference. Sure enough, I swapped out the ICMs and now the car runs great. Faulty ICM that came with the new dizzy. As far as the cold start problem goes, well, I'll find out once I drive it again.

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That's great compression. I noticed you set it to 5 degrees BTDC. FSM calls for 8 plus/minus 2 degrees BTDC for an '82. I run 10 BTDC on my '82 zx with a '79 engine. Also double check the head temp sensor. I clean mine every few months to be sure, because it directly correlates to your fuel mixture. I know the hesitation and stumbling you are talking about. The car will run great but sometimes when cold it falls on it's face and starts "popping" in the intake somewhere until you let off the throttle.

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That's great compression. I noticed you set it to 5 degrees BTDC. FSM calls for 8 plus/minus 2 degrees BTDC for an '82. I run 10 BTDC on my '82 zx with a '79 engine. Also double check the head temp sensor. I clean mine every few months to be sure, because it directly correlates to your fuel mixture. I know the hesitation and stumbling you are talking about. The car will run great but sometimes when cold it falls on it's face and starts "popping" in the intake somewhere until you let off the throttle.

I originally had my timing set for 9 BTDC, however it began to idle rougher than usual, so i set it back to 5... Not sure why... And yes, the popping and stumble, thats exactly what it does! Still does it after the dizzy change, but not as much... Thats interesting becuase i replaced the CHTS about 1,500 months prior to this... Also, i am still expirencing a slight rough idle, maybe a 100-120 rpm variation (used to be 150-180 rpm). I'm starting to think that this is just the way the car was made to run... I mean the only other thing i could imagine causing this rough running is the Vacuum switch, or the ECU... Any insight on this?

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