Zsane Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I'd like to hear opinions about this condition! Anyone care to elaborate their thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 What 'condition' is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 take out control arms from the crossmember, drill new pivot holes in crossmember 3/4" higher (center of hole to center of hole), weld on new washers. condition solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 You really have to measure bump steer to fix it. Some people say 3/4, some say 7/8, some say up 3/4 out 1/4. I wouldn't trust any of it. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Right. Research this one over the winter. Take NOTES- Print the pages/diagrams if you have to. Don't trust your memory. I got a big 3-ring notebook I keep the pages in, categorized. Another for the car, with the cleear, slip-in covers. In the Spring, measure the stuff and see what you need to do. Also, why did you ask about 'stock tie rod ends? Do you think you'll need special ones on a lowered car? I think you'll be more worried about the T/C rods than the tie rods. It really helps if you can give as much info on tour question when you start a topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 You really have to measure bump steer to fix it. Some people say 3/4' date=' some say 7/8, some say up 3/4 out 1/4. I wouldn't trust any of it. Jon[/quote'] you're right, because it varies with amount the car's lowered. Better idea would be to do as Pete Paraska did and slot the holes so its' infinitely adjustable. I just gave a smart ass reply to a very vague question that still yielded appropriate fix for the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zsane Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 This condition, or are other cars differant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotfitz Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 With the picture just posted, it seems that this has been a misconception. Even with the arc in the tie rod end, it appears that from the rack and pinion intersect point that the tie rod(from start to finish in a straight line as shown) is actually on the same plane as the control arm. The arc has nothing to do with the pivot points, so, going by this picture, why does it appear to be in the "right" positon? It also appears that this is a lowered Z, in relation to the cross member. BTW, since installing bump steer spacers on my slightly lowered Z(only due to driveway clearance) I have found I have understeer. I was curious if this was a side effect of over compensating for the problem? Or was this just lack of power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zsane Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 Initially my concern was the ball stud position coming out of the rack, and the steering arm angle, the ball stud is angled up and because of the steering arm angle as viewed from the front, the tapered stud in the tie rod is angled out, it just seems like a straight tie rod end and a steering arm end that is parallel with the wheel would keep the rack ball stud and tir rod end ball stud in the center of their range. If anything I could imagine a tie rod end that is straight with the ball end angled slightly towards the wheel and the steering arm twisted to match. All the newer cars I looked at today had straight tie rods with the ball end angled towards or parallel with the wheel. The car in the picture doesn't show much if any bump steer when on the road, even with those wasted rod ends and ball joints, soon to be replaced along with lots of other things. Has anyone measured their bumpsteer through the range of motion with and without the spacers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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