Guest JAMIE T Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I just bought one but haven't gotten it yet. Just wondering if it was worth it or not? I got it so I can tune my car at the track and without a dyno. I don't care much for dyno numbers. I do want the engine to live though. Also, on a twin turbo engine... Where would you put the sensor? I am going from the twins into a single 4", so I guess I'd put just after the two merge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I'm using it and seems to work well for me. I still need to spend some more time tuning though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennysgreen280zt Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Ive used one for a short while on my car. Just as a gauge, I havent gotten to its data-logging features yet. Seems like a good tool to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo2001 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 The wideband O2 should be located pretty far away from the turbo and still be accurate at same time. it really doesn't like the heat and moisture. 8-13 inchs after the turbine is what I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB26powered74zcar Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 The wideband O2 should be located pretty far away from the turbo and still be accurate at same time. it really doesn't like the heat and moisture. 8-13 inchs after the turbine is what I was told. I was using one .... but my car has benn down for awhile, and I've forgotton a few things since. I do know that you want the sensor farther than 8-13" from the turbos though... I ruined the first sensor right away because I had it around 12" down the down pipe. Klaus sugested that I move it aprox 3 ft down, and it has worked flawless since. You can put it right before the muffler, at the diff, and it would be better than where a narrow band sensor normally would be placed, so DON'T use the spot you had your regular ego sensor... you'll cook it quick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JAMIE T Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Awesome tips! Back by the muffler would be nice to keep it out of the clutter of the turbos and such. I'm still a few months away from using but figured I'd ask about it any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardd Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I ran mine in the stock o2 sensor location all of last summer with no problems. Works great for me, I wish had grabbed the aux output for maf voltage, rpm and all that at the same time. Bernard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speeder Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I used an Innovate LM-1 to tune several Electromotive and Haltech systems and it has really worked well. In my turbo car, I have the sensor in pretty much the stock location (4-5" down from the turbine outlet on a non-stock downpipe)and have experienced no problems. I've interfaced the LM-1 analog output to my Electromotive TEC2's O2 sensor input, and now can datalog true AFR along with any/all measurements available to the ECU. This makes tuning stupid-simple with a programmable system. The LM-1 is a pretty capable data-logger on its own, but you have to have the optional "RPM Converter Cable" if you want the capability to record RPM and 3 more 0-5 Volt signals, such as MAP, along with AFR. The RPM Converter setup is non-intuitive and confusing, though. The Innovate software could be more user - friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB26powered74zcar Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 humm... I guess the cause of my first sensors failure, along with heaps of others on the LM-1 forum was a fluke. Maybe you guys that know wheres best to put the sensor, should get ahold of Klaus, the designer and owner of Inovate, and tell him to quit giving that bad/ non nessary info on how not to install the sensor that close to the turbo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Where are you guys buying them from? Summit wants more than the msrp for one. I've seen a couple of places that are ~$10 less than msrp, but maybe there's better? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JAMIE T Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I got mine off eBay. for $365 shipped. I don't know what msrp is but it seemed like a good price for what it is capable of doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo2001 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Mine is in the stock location but I was told to move the sensor away from the heat as 800C+ is not good for the sensor. Also keep the sensor away from moisture. It kills the sensor faster than the heat. If the WB unit fail to warmup the sensor before being used, it can fail due to condensation. One reason why I didn't go with LM-1 with lighter socket plug in power deal. I'm really forgetful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 These two sites seem to be the least expensive I've found..... http://www.bnecustoms.com/innovate_motorsports_wide_band.htm http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/viewproduct~Nissan~200SX~~~Wide_Band_Kits~.html $349 now Rick mentioned needing the cable ...$429... Multi sensor aux box $589 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bastaad525 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I had asked about this a couple months ago... seems everyone thought it was just fine to put the sensor in the stock location on the downpipe. I never did get my LM-1 for xmas Not that it matters much, haven't been driving the car at all anyways. There was another brand out there, Yo2001 gave me the link but I dont' have it anymore, I dunno if search is working but you might want to have a look for it, the unit looked technically 'better' than the LM-1 with more features for a similiar price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo2001 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 http://www.zeitronix.com/ This is about he's talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bastaad525 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 yep that one looks nicer and a better deal to me... whenever I finally do get a WB that will be the one, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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