NotSuperBbutZ Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hey I'm ready to join the minority and put an sr20det in my 240z, i havnt really been able to find this, but id like to know how much it would generally cost for me to do the swap (how much i would have to fork out to have someone do it). and what all would i need for the swap, or would i just need to get a whole front clip. And if anyone ends up knowing, if there are any shops in washington state that i could get it done at that would be great too! thanks for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Initial Z Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'm in a simaler position, I know I want to do this swap its just a matter of saving up for it and getting every thing I need. I dont know how far you are from Portland OR but one of my friends told me about a shop in town that can do the swap and they have the engines in stock. hear is the web sight for the shop http://www.preracing.com/ I my friends girlfrends dad had them drop an sr20 in his two 240SXes and they look and run great! So I called them up to see what they would charge to do it in a 240z. The guy told me that they had never done that swap befor but that they would definatly be able to do it. As far as a price goes, he guesed it would be around $4,500. for parts and labor or $2,500. for just the parts. So any way just thought I'ed put that out there as an option. I think I'll just get the parts and try to put it together my self and if I get stuck I'll hand it over to them. well good luck! nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hey I'm ready to join the minority and put an sr20det in my 240z, i havnt really been able to find this, but id like to know how much it would generally cost for me to do the swap (how much i would have to fork out to have someone do it). and what all would i need for the swap, or would i just need to get a whole front clip. And if anyone ends up knowing, if there are any shops in washington state that i could get it done at that would be great too! thanks for your time. What part of Washington are you in? Im in Yakima. I haven't been able to find any shops in the area that seem to know anything about this swap. Much less anyone that really knows anything about a Z. I think I might do the same and get the parts and do the labor myself. As for costs it really depends on what you want to do. I have priced the DET's and they all seem to be around the $2,000 range for the complete motor. Some are a little more and some are less. The thing you want to pay close attention to if you buy one is wether or not it comes with the MAF & Ignitor. I have heard that these can be rather expensive and hard to find. A good person to talk to here on the boards is Alex @ Vildini. His name is SR240Z. He has done several of these swaps and from what I've seen does some da** good work. Plus hes got lots of pretty pics on his site . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Originally, I spent $2400 for motor and tranny shipped S13 low mileage $200 new ecu $100 another starter $100 water pump $150 oil pump $50 belts $24.99 motor mounts $300 engine cradle Vildini $50 shorten driveshaft $300 FMIC and downpipe and exhaust manifold $100 air cleaner and intake and FMIC piping $100 Taurus fan $200 Aluminum and plastic radiator $150 intake manifold ported and polished $350 ACT HDSS clutch $200 3" mandrel bent exhaust $100 Walbro 255 fuel pump Plus labor The new ecu was a quirk since mine was not working. The new starter was necessary since most have defunct starters. You should replace the oil and water pumps. The FMIC is necessary and the downpipe and exhaust manifold are necessary. The Intake manifold, taurus fan and radiator are not entirely necessary. You also need incidentals like fluids and spark plugs. After I got all this done I have also added: $150 Z32 MAF $489 Nismo 740cc injectors $1100 GT2871R turbo $1000 APEXi Power FC standalone So how much do you want to spend??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Originally' date=' I spent$2400 for motor and tranny shipped S13 low mileage $200 new ecu $100 another starter $100 water pump $150 oil pump $50 belts $24.99 motor mounts $300 engine cradle Vildini $50 shorten driveshaft $300 FMIC and downpipe and exhaust manifold $100 air cleaner and intake and FMIC piping $100 Taurus fan $200 Aluminum and plastic radiator $150 intake manifold ported and polished $350 ACT HDSS clutch $200 3" mandrel bent exhaust $100 Walbro 255 fuel pump Plus labor [/quote'] Yea this is about what people usually spend on a swap, no one ever really does a completely stock swap they get too into it and start upgrading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 BTW that list is to help you guys as a realistic estimate. Don't tell my wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 BTW that list is to help you guys as a realistic estimate. Don't tell my wife. Your secret should be safe with us LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Did that list help you SR guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Did that list help you SR guys? I found it very helpful. Now I have a better idea of what I will be looking at in terms of cost. You choose alot of parts that I am looking at getting for my swap. On another note...what are you guys running in you rear end? And if its not stock, how much did it cost to do a diff swap. Right now I am looking at getting an R160 LSD from a Subaru Impreza. I guess I am curious if there is anything thats better and cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I found it very helpful. Now I have a better idea of what I will be looking at in terms of cost. You choose alot of parts that I am looking at getting for my swap. On another note...what are you guys running in you rear end? And if its not stock' date=' how much did it cost to do a diff swap. Right now I am looking at getting an R160 LSD from a Subaru Impreza. I guess I am curious if there is anything thats better and cheaper.[/quote'] in our sr240z we are running an r180 with 4.375 gearing and a nismo 2way lsd. Also using half shafts that were rebuilt by Unitrax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Alex, do you know of anywhere to get the nismo lsd and about how much it costs? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 i can get it for you if you need it, im at school right now but IM me after 3pm on AOL or PM me and ill make sure to find you a price asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar240z Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm going to run the q45 vlsd, in total, expect to spend about 1000 for the swap if you get Arizona zcars billet parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I still have the stock R200 open dif. I would switch but I haven't found a cost effective option. If anyone has any good cost effective solutions for a daily driver, please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 In terms of something being cost effective, the best one I have seen so far is the R160 diff. from a Subaru Turbo. There are alot of people out there that say these are too weak. From what I have seen I think it would hold up to the power of a SR20. I'm not sure how long it would hold up under hard launches for drag racing, but for street use it should hold. My logic, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that even though it is not as stout as the R180 or R200 it doen't matter too much because you are not looking at 250+ ft/lbs off the line like a V8. I have talked to several guys on this site that are using the same diff behind a L6 and it seems to hold up. One guy (can't remember his name, ill look later) told me that he has been running one for several years, mostly street duty with some drags, and he hasn't had any problems with things breaking. I haven't spent too much time pricing them yet, but I'm sure you could pull one out of a junkyard and rebuild it for a couple hundred bucks at the most. I'll try and find out exactlly what models of Subaru you can take one from if anyones interested (I have several friends that are Subaru die hards). All in all it sounds like a good option to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwik240z Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'm going to run the q45 vlsd, in total, expect to spend about 1000 for the swap if you get Arizona zcars billet parts. I am just now finishing my q45 R200 VLSD swap. So far it has cost: $300 for the 3/4" Moustache Bar from LS1240Z $300 MMS for the Axles $420 for the C/V adaptors (LS1240Z has them for $200 but you need 280Z companion flanges too.) $339 for the Arizona Z car Billet rear brace $200 for the Q45 diff and one set of Axles $100 for a 2nd set of axles $171 for new C/V boots kits (4) from Inifinti $60 set of 280Z stub axles $55 for the Flange Yoke to connect the diff to the driveshaft $150 for a new Driveshaft $??? for the front mount $??? for the LSD fluid $??? C/V grease Shipping prices were not included in the above figures Over $2000 so far. Maybe I paid too much for a few items but unless you get the diff and axles for free or almost free and you already have some of the parts, you will not be able to do it for $1000 if you want to use the billet parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar240z Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 oops, i didn't factor in the 280z stub axles and companion flanges in, or the front mount...i'll make it, so thats pretty cheap... i got my diff & axles for way cheap, probably spent about 200 for them. i spent 60 bucks on my boots, Also i'm using mas280's adapter, and going to get the cheaper A Zcar moustache bar. and if you think about it, the brace isn't really a part of the diff swap, as it holds the control arms... but, you're right, it is a lot more than 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwik240z Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 oops' date=' i didn't factor in the 280z stub axles and companion flanges in, or the front mount...i'll make it, so thats pretty cheap... i got my diff & axles for way cheap, probably spent about 200 for them. i spent 60 bucks on my boots, Also i'm using mas280's adapter, and going to get the cheaper A Zcar moustache bar. and if you think about it, the brace isn't really a part of the diff swap, as it holds the control arms...but, you're right, it is a lot more than 1000.[/quote'] You will need to modifiy your rear brace if you plan to install the finned cover or by the AZC brace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectSR20 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I know that the overall price for the diff. swap can depend on many things such as how much you paid for the diff or what kind you choose. My question: does swaping the diff usually come out to cost the same no matter what diff you choose. Or is there a big difference. I understand that no matter what the choice is you need the companion flanges, ect... Is this correct? I am really trying to justify swapping to an LSD unit in my head, but the price seems to far outway the benefits to me at thsi moment. Thanks for any input guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwik240z Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I know that the overall price for the diff. swap can depend on many things such as how much you paid for the diff or what kind you choose. My question: does swaping the diff usually come out to cost the same no matter what diff you choose. Or is there a big difference. I understand that no matter what the choice is you need the companion flanges' date=' ect... Is this correct? I am really trying to justify swapping to an LSD unit in my head, but the price seems to far outway the benefits to me at thsi moment. Thanks for any input guys.[/quote'] Big Difference in prices. If you will be keeping the SR20DET stock at 200-220HP or a mild build up and you don't plan to drag race it, an R160 LSD from a Subaru is stong enough and the most cost effective way to go LSD. (510 guys are using them in SR20DET powered dimes and some are pushing 250 - 300RWHP) They range in price from $60 (local pick and Pull, any rear is $60, you pull it) to $350 on eBay. You will also need to change the stubs that go into the diff. A used R160 open diff is cheap, Free from some 510 guys to $50 or so. So get one and pull the parts you need and trash the rest. This should be a bolt in for a 240Z. You can use your R180 moustache bar and half shafts. This unit also weighs less then the R180. The next step up would be an R180 with a Nismo LSD unit in it. I had one in my 240Z and I just swapped it out for the Q45 diff. It is also a bolt in. It can certainly handle 350RWHP but I plan to go for more than that in the future so I swapped it out. I have my R180 LSD for sale if anyone is interested. $900 plus shipping includes the halfshafts and the original moustache bar.. The entire setup has less then 6000 miles on it. The Nismo LSD unit was purchased from Nismo for $700 and the entire diff was gone through and assembled by Pierre Z in California. The halfshafts were rebuilt and have new universals and boots too. The ratio is 3.54:1 The next step up is an R200 LSD from a 1987 (4/87 production date) to 1989 300ZX turbo. You will need the R200 moustache bar and the 300ZX C/V halfshafts. You will need C/V adaptors too. This weighs more too. I have seen them bring around $1000 on ebay with the halfshafts. The Q45 VSLD is next. After that the R230 for the 300ZX TT. Lots of info on these if you search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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