Mikelly Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 The only reason I'm hot on buying the AZC units is because I plan to use their toe adjuster. That is the ONLY advantage I can see to using their arm over the ZcarProducts piece. If that isn't a concern, then buy what you like... I won't be selling anymore rear arms or designing anymore rear arms... Not worth the time and effort when there are other choices... Ross makes a fine part as well, and the only reason I'm buying the AZC units is I've installed a set. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I still dont know which one is better alltought they still might snap in a case of too much power and torque. But the one from zraceparts looks alot more better and heavy duty craftsmanship. The biggest thing is to really test it. If someone would have to run coilovers one of those arms, either one and all the new bushings. I think that would be only way to compare them. You really can't make a statement like that without truly having something to back it up. My arms DID snap, but not due to poor weld or poor design. Overall the thickness of the outboard tubing ended up being to thin and fatigued with severe use... SO we can assume without a doubt that all these examples are "more better" than my old ZF Racing units... That said, Ross' design is truly oncar adjustable and THAT is something to think about when aligning the car. If you're paying by the hour to get a car aligned, trust me on this, the other two models shown will cost more everytime you roll it up on the rack... That's a re-occuring fee to pay for ownership... How easy the product is to work with is very important if the car is going to be driven much and aligned often. I know from personal experience with Ross that every part he makes is heavily engineered. So don't "assume" his parts are inferior to the other two examples shown. Knowing his work ethic, I'll wager a sum that his are atleast as good as the other examples shown... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtsnlvrs Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Yeah I was wondering which set of arms would allow camber and toe adjustments without removing the spindle pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COZY Z COLE Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I have had Ross's adj. rear control arms on since April 06 and there have been no problems. My R-230 conv. has been in since AUG. 05 also with no problems using Ross's conv. parts. My alignment guy loved the fact that he could adj. the rear wheels while the car was on the rack. This procedure only took a few minutes. LARRY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I have had Ross's adj. rear control arms on since April 06 and there have been no problems. My R-230 conv. has been in since AUG. 05 also with no problems using Ross's conv. parts. My alignment guy loved the fact that he could adj. the rear wheels while the car was on the rack. This procedure only took a few minutes. LARRY EXACTLY WHY we designed mine the way we did, and excatly WHY I weighed in (for what it was worth, if anything) on Ross' design. I'm building a track specific car. If I was builing a street car with no camber plates, I'd buy ross' design or whip up a varient on my own design. Ross' Rear arms kick ARSe! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjhines Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 In a lot of cases it may be hard to beat the modded factory arms... These weigh only 10lbs 9 oz with ALL mounting hardware... they are STIFF and they use no small area butt welds... and they have aerospace quality 5/8" rod ends... The only improvement would be to allow one of the adjusters to be double adjustable... that would not be too hard to accomplish with the current design... I am looking at the blue painted arms and thinking that they would not be as strong as most other designs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 For that price I could buy insurance specific to those parts:wink: Mike, You certainly don't disappoint in your posts, do you? I made adjustable control arms for several years. The amount of labor involved in making them is upwards of 10 hours per set. $580 is a true bargain, but again, you'd have to make them to understand how difficult they are to make. There is a real good reason why the price point on control arms is what it is. Rear arms have a tone of force being applied from a number of directions, and have to deal with other variabls as well... Factoring all that in, and factoring in what you want to do with the car and how you may want to set it up for your suspension needs, you won't be able to get that adjustment with stock arms. You either have to get the adjustment from the arms or from camber plates... Arms are more expensive, but camber plates require a LOT of labor to install them as well. Helps to do your research before you pop off such comments. Mike Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfly Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Mike, You certainly don't disappoint in your posts, do you? I made adjustable control arms for several years. The amount of labor involved in making them is upwards of 10 hours per set. $580 is a true bargain, but again, you'd have to make them to understand how difficult they are to make. There is a real good reason why the price point on control arms is what it is. Rear arms have a tone of force being applied from a number of directions, and have to deal with other variabls as well... Factoring all that in, and factoring in what you want to do with the car and how you may want to set it up for your suspension needs, you won't be able to get that adjustment with stock arms. You either have to get the adjustment from the arms or from camber plates... Arms are more expensive, but camber plates require a LOT of labor to install them as well. Helps to do your research before you pop off such comments. Mike Kelly Very well said Mike. Dragonfly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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