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Anybody know what strut bars do ? I can only see that they would keep the spacing between the struts fixed (they act as pinned joints at either end). What forces could possibly exist at the top of the struts that makes them want to tilt inboard or outboard ? Wouldn't the hood get all messed up if there was any significant relative motion between the two sides ?

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Originally posted by Carlissimo:

Anybody know what strut bars do ?

The actual forces their are not very great, but enough to allow the towers to shift and alter your 'ideal' suspension geometry. With strut tower braces it provides enough stability to keep the towers squared up and your suspension as it's been setup. Triangulation is best as it then squares it up completely.

 

Open your hood and have a friend press down on your brake pedal sometime......watch the master cylinder.....you'll see it flex out quite noticeably ;) It is surprising at first how many dymanics happily coexist as you drive your car....

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Originally posted by Carlissimo:

Anybody know what strut bars do ? I can only see that they would keep the spacing between the struts fixed (they act as pinned joints at either end). What forces could possibly exist at the top of the struts that makes them want to tilt inboard or outboard ?

When you get one, you will FEEL the difference. Strut towers flex, that is truth, even on the freeway a strut tower brace on the front of my Camaro was VERY noticeable improvement, maybe less so for a Z but the body flexes. Look at the very fron of the car, what is there to avoid flex, NOTHING. You have a crossmember at the bottom but you have nothing at the top for fully BOXED support.

 

Otherwise a cage would be nothing but a safety device, however we all know that there is flex EVERYWHERE in the car, and that a cage will instantly stiffen up the chassis, helping to protect the body from squeaks, rattles, and cracks. Even a 4 point roll bar in a heavy car is like a whole different car.

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You could tell the the difference with a solid mount. Some of these that are not 1 piece are just for show IMO.

 

Check out Scottie GNZ's mount in the back 2thumbs.gif Looks like about 2" steel tube. I have also seen a few triangular mounts for the front that look solid.(1 pc.)

 

The ones that have fittings and nuts and bolts to ajust them on the mounts (or look like you could bend the thing on your knee :confused: ) are not worth it IMO.

 

Tom

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Like Ross said, the movement is small, but there is definitely a seat of the pants feeling of more stability and rigidness. Not only do you have cornering forces trying to tweak things out of alignment, engine torque also wants to put things into a twist. Triangulation is a much more sound structural principle because you tie the flexible parts (towers) to inflexible parts like the highly contoured area of the firewall. Tower to tower bars all less effective because you are tying a flexible part to a flexible part and that will just parallelogram the front end.

 

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Ok since this thread is about strut bars lets try this question one more time.

 

Does anyone out there currently running the MSA engine mount system know if it is possible to have the full size (round) air cleaner and still have the strut bar?

 

Everytime I post this question it just dies. The reason I ask is in the MSA pic they show that cheesy little triangle air cleaner. I would like to have a set up like Pete,s but do not know if the MSA set up will allow for this. You know the traditional round air filter and strut bar.

 

Please someone should know the answer to this question. It is a pretty straight forward question either you can or you can't.

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they are good in the front of a z, where theres like nothing protecting against some nice strut movement. in the rear on a street car, i dont think it does very much besides take up space. the rear has a lot more meat holding it together, the front of a unibody doesnt.

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An additional thought...the top of your strut towers twist under heavy load, most of the sections of your firewall are very flimsy, and if you dont tie in the section through where your sway bar is eventually you will crack your frame rails. So you might want to look at this type of solution...

http://www.classiczcars.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1229&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

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