grumpyvette Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 lots of guys add oil coolers and or dual remote mount oil filters to add voluum and give the oil more time to cool before its pumped back into hot engine parts, IF and when you do get the filter mount adapter do some serious thinking about both access, heat and where the oils likely to spill as the filters swapped out, one of my less intelligent friends , mounted his with the filters facing strait up rather than hanging down...easy access, never thinking thru the obvious flaw that spinning off a hot and full oil filter full of old oil results in it emptying all over the place! http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TRD%2D1222&N=700+115&autoview=sku [color:red] also keep in mind the designed dirrection of oil flow,some adapters and some the filters have anti drainback valves that will starve the engine of oil flow if you get stupid & sloppy and get the lines reversed, they still flow SOME oil but not hardly enought to prevent bearing damage if the lines are reversed, check BOTH the block adapter and filter mount adapter, ID suggest a 1/2" inside dia. as a minimum hose size to and from the cooler or filters[/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-rib-73-240z Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 lots of guys add oil coolers and or dual remote mount oil filters to add voluum and give the oil more time to cool before its pumped back into hot engine parts,IF and when you do get the filter mount adapter do some serious thinking about both access, heat and where the oils likely to spill as the filters swapped out, one of my less intelligent friends , mounted his with the filters facing strait up rather than hanging down...easy access, never thinking thru the obvious flaw that spinning off a hot and full oil filter full of old oil results in it emptying all over the place! http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TRD%2D1222&N=700+115&autoview=sku [color:red] also keep in mind the designed dirrection of oil flow,some adapters and some the filters have anti drainback valves that will starve the engine of oil flow if you get stupid & sloppy and get the lines reversed, they still flow SOME oil but not hardly enought to prevent bearing damage if the lines are reversed, check BOTH the block adapter and filter mount adapter[/color] if i did that id run the oil cooler on the return line... with a pump right after the oil cooler so the oil still moves back to the block with pressure... (idk if they make oil pumps for purposes like that would be cool tho) do you think thatd work? or am i a noob thats getting before himself and dreaming things lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandyZ Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Does it matter where I tap an 1/8" line to a mechanical oil press gauge on a permacool unit? The block adapter, the filter end, or tee off of the supply or return hose??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 Does it matter where I tap an 1/8" line to a mechanical oil press gauge on a permacool unit? The block adapter, the filter end, or tee off of the supply or return hose??? oil pressure, gauges are usually connected to the engine block, generally to the access port over the oil filter or near the distributor base, depending on the application Id suggest a new gauge and sending unit, if you don,t know the condition of the old stock parts, it generally requires a sending unit, and a connecting wire that connects the gauge to that sending unit, but naturally the pair must be a matched set a few oil pressure gauges use two wire connections, many just a sensor and a single connection, most need a MATCHED pressure sending unit and a gauge http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM-2241 http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM%2D5727&view=64&N=700+ theres a port for the sensor near the distrib and you could also install it near the oil filter in a few blocks normally a 1/8" pipe thread theres also mechanical gauges available that require a tube for oil to reach the gauge, but they tend to be a P.I.T.A. and subject to leaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLave Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 When you add something like a remote dual filter and a cooler is it necessary to upgrade the oil pump? I would imagine adding the tubing and second filter would have to increase the resistance and therefore the pressure head the pump must overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 the standard high voluum oil pumps for the chevy v8 easily handle the requirements these are the correct pumps to use on a sbc high hp build in many cases http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MIL%2D18770&N=700+115&autoview=sku http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MEL%2D10555&view=1&N=700+150+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I cannot provide a recommendation, but the size of hose between this set-up and the block is important to consider as well. What really surprises me is the apparent "smallness" of a sufficient size hose for a typical V8 application as compared to a Porsche oil system (but the two are vastly different in design). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 your correct! a 3/8" inside line size is marginal too useless depending on what percentage of the oil is routed thru the coolers or remote filters, a 1/2" inside dia, line would be in my opinion the minimum that should be considered. my trans cooler uses a 3/8" line , my oil cooler used to run a 1/2" but I found that the oil cooler was not necessary once I installed the trans cooler and 10 qt baffled oil pan on the car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 As soon as I swapped the 289 out for the 383, my oil temp rocketed up to about 250º. So I put a cooler on and it now runs about about 215º on steady-state driving, but a couple of good hard high RPM pulls and it's back up for a little while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 thats expected and normal if your not running both a large capacity baffled oil pan AND a cooler with an electric powered fan, as it takes time for a non-fan equiped or small cooler to disapate the oils heat, I used to run thios dual cooler http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=PRM%2D13318&N=700+400006+115&autoview=sku but I found this transmission cooler alone was better http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=PRM%2D12318&N=700+115&autoview=sku as the oil temp was not a problem, but the trans temp was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ilovetacos Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I installed the transdapt filter relocation kit on an offroad ford bronco with a 351 once. the oil bypass that went onto the block was a terrible casting. however i called summit and told them and they had a replacement in the mail right away(Summit's service was awesome) because of the odd location i had to use some angled plumbing bits. Also the swivel ends of the lines that where supplied leaked once i tested the it out. so i had to just throw all the fittings out and make my own lines. i am gonna do it again on my Z however i would just buy the bypass and the filter mount castings and do all the lines myself out of twist-loc Edit: the broncos oil pump also had enough power to push the oil up to through the filters and through a large trophy truck oil cooler- it ran MUCH cooler after the install- the truck ended up taking 9-10 quarts of oil- it ran dual ph8f fram filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 one of my less intelligent friends , mounted his with the filters facing strait up rather than hanging down...easy access, never thinking thru the obvious flaw that spinning off a hot and full oil filter full of old oil results in it emptying all over the place! Maybe your friend was emulating Ferrari! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerrari GTO Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe your friend was emulating Ferrari! It seems like mounting the remote filters upside down would actually work better than the sbc factory postion. If you installed a drain valve in the line below the filters, you could drain them before removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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