Tony D Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 CWC Cam Inquiry for those that have them: There is a 'holding' area on the cam, on the stock Nissan (JAPAN) cores, this is two knobs protruding from the stick. Is the CWC the same two 'knobs'? Or is it another shape? The reason I'm asking is that I was lead to believe that CWC (the largest OEM supplier) was the ONLY place to get cam blanks, short of turning your own. I was told the original supplier in Japan had finished their run, and no more JAPAN cores were available. Well, now I'm in Japan. I'm seeing cams which are OBVIOUSLY not ground on a stock core...their 'holding lugs' are HEXAGONAL. Curiously these blanks have JAPAN on them, but they are NOT OEM Nissan Cams as they have 'the two knobs'... These cams do not have CWC on them, either. Maybe it's just me who is interested in this development, but if cams are available with the original process... I'm in for a gross! LOL So, CWC cam guys, what's your 'holding lug' configuration? Confirm my suspicions that, HUZZAH, us L-Guys have a possibility of TWO aftermarket cam blank supplies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Tony, I have never seen an L6 cam with holding lugs on it. I have 6 cams stockpiled, and none have a holding lug. All say JAPAN on them. The two L4 cams, however, have the holding lugs. Like you said, if you can find some cam blanks, let us know! I'd be down for two, as long as they have appropriate metallurgy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 My cams have a set of two 'lugs'... Can you post a photo of your L6 "JAPAN" camshafts (or one at least). I'm sure the L6 cam has 'lugs' along its length between one set of the lobes. It's where I stick my big crescent wrench to turn the cam from time to time... What I'm looking for is what the CWC cams have shapewise in that same area, as I mentioned, here in Japan there is a "JAPAN" new blank with a HEX there, and I don't think they are Nissan OEM. If they are the OEM supplier, either we have all been lied to, or someone started up production again (more likely) for at least a limited production run, and changed the casting a bit for differentiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted November 26, 2009 Administrators Share Posted November 26, 2009 Tony, I have never seen an L6 cam with holding lugs on it. I have 6 cams stockpiled, and none have a holding lug. All say JAPAN on them. These are the lugs Tony is talking about... I have never seen an L6 that didn't have them (which means I haven't seen the hex that Tony is looking for, either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 Thank gawd I'm not insane. Those are the lugs I'm talking about. Now, does CWC have the same style lugs. If it does, and they don't use a HEXAGONAL CASTING in that area, I'm ordering one of these cams, and going to try to get my interpreter (an MX5 guy who noticed my "MSA 2009" shirt right away in the airport...) to ask about information on cam core or blank sourcing. This indeed means someone in JAPAN is still making aftermarket blanks! I don't need to find one with a Hex, I found them...I just want to make 100% positive before I start asking for favors here that I'm barking up a worthy tree! I get woood. I get wooooood thinking of this stuff, it's so exciting! Where's my inflatable sheep? I need a release... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted November 26, 2009 Administrators Share Posted November 26, 2009 Thank gawd I'm not insane. I think that's still up for debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Weird. I have only seen L4 cams with those lugs....I had to use a pair of vicegrips to hold my cam for torquing the cam bolt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I get woood. I get wooooood thinking of this stuff, it's so exciting! Where's my inflatable sheep? I need a release... Thanks, Tony, for that indelible mental image. FWIW, every cam I've used had the lugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phred Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Tony, I have six L6 cams. One of them is a CWC, and it has lugs too. All the others are Nissan "Japan" cams, and all but one have lugs. I do have one "Japan" cam without lugs, its internally oiled from an unknown engine. Phred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddle Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I get woood. I get wooooood thinking of this stuff, it's so exciting! Where's my inflatable sheep? I need a release... I though your were American, not a Kiwi .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 I was present at the Australian Muscle Car Masters Event at Eastern Creek this past year for the Kiwi-Oz shootout. During that time, no doubt some of the Kiwi rubbed off on me (or was that a Kiwi Rubbing off on me?) Like Lanolin or Wool. It's persistent. Once it gets on you, it won't get off... And yes, I DO travel with an inflatable sheep for entertainment purposes. I wonder what the TSA guys think when they see the world-worn sheep in there. I crave a pin camera to record housekeeping when the half-inflated night buddy is left half under the covers on the hotel bed. Sometimes its in a chair with the bed made up. Sometimes it's on the pillows. Sometimes (once) it was reinflated and put on a pillow on a chair in the room. I can only wonder the looks on the faces of the maids... I have not got so disgusting so as to put soft-soap near the orifice...yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Tony, I think the un-lugged cams are just not as common. I can't find a picture of mine that really shows the un-luggedness, but I don't have any CWC cams either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 I've never seen an un-lugged cam, that would make another permutation, probably NLA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Here you go-Crappy angle, but you can see there are no lugs on this cam. I'd grab more shots of it, but the valve cover is already on and the engine ready to drop in my car tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I've got an "A" cam with no lugs on it in my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 So "A" Early cam likely Nissan Early Production (NLA) so that begs the question, what does the CWC Cam Look Like (Which was the point of the post.) Doubt it's hexagonaly oriented, and it doesn't have 'Japan' on it... But a confirmation they have lugs (or don't) is the purpose of the post. Bueller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Call up MSA or Schneider, and ask. They use CWC cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phred Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 As I said in the post above, CWC ( at least mine) has lugs. They are a bit more sharp, or square than the "Japan" cores. Phred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerstar Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 FWIW, my '71 with the stock cam doesn't have any lugs on it either. Getting a source would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddle Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I've got an "A" cam with no lugs on it in my car. My "A" Cam has lugs, its from a MR30 Skyline L24e (1985), N47 Head, small chamber Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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