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lol, done? never "done" right now I'm adding some finishing touches to the interior. I had never gotten around to finishing off the console, kick panels, etc.. plus with use of the car we decided on some minor rearranging of switches. Oh, and adding a dash mounted brake bias adjuster. We're trying to get everything ready for a trip to Carlisle I did finally finish the grill, still have to finish headlight cover trim rings. I thought you were in Michigan, you move to Tennessee? Thanx for the compliments tho! Will try and post some pics this evening. But here's where we're at so far:

I saw that - not complete, but an interesting car, and if it sells for the buy it now we're listing ours.. lol

my honest opinion - if I were to do it again, I'd just fabricate it out of metal. This is NOT a shot at the OM/scorpion trunk, I just feel that if you have the metal working skills it's worth the effort. Welded in steel will allow you to put everything exactly where you want it, There will never be any fear of body flex cracking it, and panel alignment won't require building up areas with filler or glass. Heat also will never cause the lid to flex out of alignment like can occur with the glass pieces. Oh, and another positive is i's much easier to attach window trim clips solidly to a metal body piece. Even if you don't have the metal working skill, I'd suggest checking a street rod shop near you - Ask them what they would want to do it - show them pics of the body with no hatch in the way and pics of GTO's with trunks. They would just be making a crosspiece and a trunk lid. Most competent shops wouldn't blink at this simple fabrication Chelle

Great Thread!!! kinda making me want to get off my butt and finish the last bits in ours!! Thanks everyone for posting the inspiring pics.. Best I can post today is this shot from last year.. Chelle

According to recent magazine article "Tom will still be involved by assisting with the U.S. side of the business"

Hey guys, The engine mods to this point in my eyes have been relatively small. Short block never apart. no mods to the combustion chambers, however the intake and exhaust ports were matched to the the gaskets and mildly cleaned up. I had been considering buying the Schrick cams but fortunately talked to the former owner of the car that the engine came from. He told me the engine had been freshened up and that it already had the Schrick cams and aftermarket chips. That saved me $1200, but I wish I had realized it had the chips done as we probably could have sold the computers for more money. Intakes were opened up a little to accommodate larger throttle bodies. The back of the plenums was filled in to round out the turn air makes going into the back cylinders. The intakes were extrude honed. Exhaust is practically open, mostly straight pipes with straight through mufflers. Almost all the stock accessories are gone. No A/C compressor, PS pump, the big oil pump is gone from the sump and it has a tiny alternator. Cooling fan is electric. Distributors are gone. Inside the dry sump pan the windage tray has been extended to scrape excess oil off the front 1/3 of the crank like it already does on the back 2/3rds. Fuel and ignition management is managed with the Tec3R. The Tec3R required a patch that the nice guys at Electromotive were great about creating once it was determined that was a glitch when using it on the V12. At first they insisted we had set something up wrong, however after they were able to duplicate the issue they engineered a patch quickly. I'm probably forgetting something, but think that's about it on the engine mods. The throttles are I think 8 mm larger than stock and were polished up a little. Two K&N filters up in front of the radiator. I saw the printout at the shop. I didn't bring home the printout partly because I wasn't thinking about it (was just happy to have it back after two weeks away from home) and as we are planning on having it back there on the dyno for some new adjustments due to changing the injectors to larger ones. I did e-mail the tech and ask for a scan of it. If I remember correctly he said the we were at 100% duty cycle on the injectors at 5600rpm, might have been 5000. I haven't been posting all the numbers everywhere yet for two reasons. One, there's more potential I hope after it goes back with the bigger injectors in the next couple weeks. Second and more importantly the numbers seem pretty high for what's been done - after we get new results with the new injectors I want to run it on another local Dyno that's a different type and see how the final numbers compare. I'd hate to be getting everyone's hopes up and end up finding out that someone misconfigured something (I mean I know they don't get a lot of V12's at the local speed shop) and this was a incorrect result. That said, we have another engine that we are using as a template for a completely new intake with 12 throttle bodies we hope to have on the car this summer. After the intake is done maybe we'll send off the spare block to be sleeved. I still want a 4 valve engine, but can't seem to locate anyone selling one. I would like to raise compression, not sure how we'll end up doing it - I had even considered forced induction.. but won't likely make the decision for a while.. Chelle

Sorry - I haven't been keeping up much either.. Thanx for the kind words and suggestions. We have the Schrick cams, and on the dyno have 485hp at rear wheels. We have a spare engine and trying to decide how to build it over the winter to replace the one in the car now. Right now the spare is just being used as a template for a few brackets to try and clean up the front of the engine compartment and for making a custom intake. I was going to use it for another car but have been having a hard time settling on what to build. The P4 is nice, tho I know a guy with a real P4 so I don't know if I'll go that route. I had toyed with the idea of buying an old indycar chassis to put the engine in that and try and get it street legal, but it would be a lot of work for something that might only get driven to a few events a year. Also had thoughts of trying to make a Bugatti Veyron, Enzo, or Jag Xj220 replica. My roommate wants to do a Vector M12... in the mean time we're just trying to refine the GTO. We missed a bunch of chances to compete/show it this past year and are eager to make it out more this year. KEO240, Personally I'd get rid of the stock A/C defroster setup unless you're going in shows that require originality. The after market A/C systems are better and more compact and work with the cheaper modern refrigerant. You don't need to recess the whole firewall anyway, just an area wide enough for whatever engine you're using (and don't forget to leave enough room or an access panel for getting out the plugs) qwikrex - that's not a problem for two reasons. One, the filters have anti drainback lines built into them so whatever oil is in it woun't drain down, it only moves when the pump pushes it. and two the filters are higher than everything else. Any oil in the lines after the filter adapter runs down to either the tank or the engine Thanx for the tip Sven! P4Replica- I do love the quality of the RCR stuff, and it would be nice to work on something like that... their prices are good too - just have to decide what to build next.. hect - I'd love to use their chassis for any of the possible projects I listed above..or a P4... but if I do a P4 I'd prolly try and find a Ferrari engine like TeamNissan said.. even though the cost sucks.. thanx Gollum Chelle

Are ya talking about Henry? His cams do require machining a notch out of the pistons. I just can't stand the prices people want for aftermarket cams for the 12. I don't mind spending money for something but $6500 is a lotta money for two cams and some off the shelf valves and springs. Chelle

Duke, nope - not Kim's car, I saw that car on ebay some time back as well. Chelle

Wow, looks great, please update us all on how much the braking and feel is improved. I'm trying to decide if this winter we do the same to our car or go with completely different strut/brake/hub assemblies (like some of the aftermarket road racing options) Chelle

Well, next step up would likely have been the Autronic unit.. and above that I had really considered the EFI Technologies system to be my idea of a dream system Expensive, but a lot of features I would like to have. Chelle

Steve, Morris still holds quite a few records I believe, and he's a great guy too. He'll be down at Gateway raceway this coming week/weekend teaching classes on setting up your car for the track at the "run-n-gun" event for replica/specialty cars. We were going to enter the competition, but the car isn't ready for serious competition yet. We MAY drive down for a day or two just to hang out and see the cars and show ours.. don't know for sure though Morris's car has a body made for/by Kirkham and a stainless chassis, with a full aluminum bellypan - his attention to detail is amazing. Everywhere you look are signs of things being carefully re-engineered, and it sounds like a beast too Chelle

lol, it was a VERY frustrating day... most people don't notice that

Sounds fun Kellhammer FYI I decided that my 750i V12 BMW has had long enough - if no one buys it this weekend then monday morning I'm pulling the engine and junking the rest of it. If someone wants the whole car this weekend (having whole car gives you a bunch of parts you can sell as well as all the factory computers and everything) price this weekend is $1200... monday it gets broken up - this was my daily driver till the trunk and back seat got soaked. Chelle

Wow Speedracer, your pic is a lot nicer... my digital camera is a cheap one here's some pics of ours.. Internal mechanism started as a brick of aluminum Chelle

I'll post some of the install on our car, outside, inside the door and the pieces, keep in mind, our inside mechanism is different Chelle

lol, Duke, I haven't done anything major all week on it and feel terrible about that.. this morning though I have about 6 tasks planned. REALLY neglecting our other cars though - Haley's eclipse spyder is filthy, haven't even touched Lambo in like 3 months I was a total bum though and after the F1 race ended at like 2:30 this morning I went to bed and slept in till after 8:30!! Six whole hours wasted asleep.. sheesh.. Boy from Oz, My guess would be it was bigger on the Alpha (and the cars made from variations of that mold) to aid in cooling. Z-cars were pretty notorious for being warm under the hood anyway. Our car has had every panel modified in some way. The smaller, more accurate grill opening isn't a problem for us as we also added the three openings under the grill, made the gills in the fenders functional by adding engine compartment heat exhaust fan openings behind the front wheels, and of course a huge crossflow stock car style radiator. Here's a couple pics showing the changes to the nose Chelle

Duke, No, not the stock tank -we had a race shop fabricate a custom aluminum 22gallon fuel cell. It has two return lines and the pump is a Holley pump for EFI using size -8 AN line to the pump with 1/2" hardline to the front of the car and then back to -8 braided line under the hood. I have some pics of the tank being made with some of the internal baffles visible. It's pretty heavily baffled with a huge feed line to (hopefully) keep the pump from sucking air The pump we're using puts through 67gph@45psi Will see if I can find a few pics of the tank Chelle

His has a higher percentage of ferrari parts... and there's no kit to do it - but it's not original either - hand made body, interior, frame is maybe 30% custom, but is titled as a 1961 Ferrari 250 PF.. because enough of the frame and running gear came from one to call it that certainly with Ferrari engine it has more original than ours.. lol but it's not an original 250GTO.. and a large percentage of it is not ferrari original... but it's still cool Chelle

His car is a Greg Jones built car.. made from the remnants of a 1961 Ferrari 250 PF.. the frame was modified by Greg and a body made by someone in Italy (possibly Alegretti, but there are a number of places that can make one there) The six carb setups are OEM, but the 250 PF would have had three webers. Last time I priced a complete six carb setup - with intakes/carbs/linkage and velocity stacks the going price was $8500 Had someone restored the 250 PF to original it would likely have been worth more money, but not as much fun to me Chelle

Duke, I'm assuming you are asking about the filler lines. The old filler hoses and expansion tank are gone of course and the holes for them are just filled in. The lines to and from the engine run in almost the original locations. Our fuel pump is mounted to the original plate that held the stock pump even. Only real difference is we have much larger lines, pump, and proper AN fittings with braided and aluminum line. Chelle

Hope this helps Duke, The small line is a vent to allow air to get out as the tank is filling.. unfortunately for my weekend these pics are making it clear to me I need to finish putting sound deadener and the aluminum panels in the trunk to finish it off... looks really unfinished in there. Chelle

lol here's a couple more pics of the other GTO that was there... I love the simple underhood area

Bill, Are yours built off the cvcc buttons? have keys? This car is already painted and has holes drilled - if it's something different then I would likely need to repaint to use... have some pics? I can't use the internal mechanism as designed by Alpha because our doors are modified inside. Zerrari, I believe they are 1974-77 cvcc 3 door. They are the rear hatch release. Chelle