Boog Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hey guys, recently finished wiring up my megasquirt. It doesn't run. I am struggling to find the source of the error. For some reason I am not permitted to load up my log files or config files.....if someone could tell me how that would be awesome. My setup is as follows: I have the direct coil control mod installed directly from DIYautotune. The coil has power, and the negative side is connected to MS. Two sets of injectors, 3 and 3. They are each wired to a bank on the harness. IAT on the J pipe, welded bung. MAP sensor hose is not cracked or kinked, attached at manifold. I have tested power at all locations, I have spark. AEM wideband with analog output wired to MS, calibrated appropriately and reading correctly. Temp sensor is wired correctly and reading correctly. Distributor is wired with a step up resistor, and wired according to the posted configuration. (Power, ground, signal with setup) If there is any other information I can provide, please let me know. I have a 1976 280z, running stock block, head, and everything except for a 83 dizzy, j pipe, turbo setup, etc. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Here is the log file http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=76878259697179821769 and here is the config file http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=58247145802309928482 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 What are your symptoms of "not running"? Just crank with spark, and no firing? Check crank timing, make sure injectors are wired right and get pulled to ground while cranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 The engine is cranking with spark, and not running. I realized it is pulling a 10:1 AFR while cranking, so right now im working on bringing that down a bit. My plugs might have been fouled from trying too much while that rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 ok my afr is 10:1 with my injectors unplugged. Am i flooded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOZ UP Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Uncalibrated AFR sensor, or just not reliable with low voltage during cranking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOZ UP Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 So if your plugs are fouled, it's firing at least some of the time? Is your req fuel set decent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 ok my afr is 10:1 with my injectors unplugged. Am i flooded? I'm confused. The engine is not running, how do you have or measure an AFR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Cranking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Cranking If it's not running, you are not burning any fuel, making any AFR measurement completely useless. AFR is only relevant when the engine is running. Since you are getting fuel out of the injectors, I would speculate your ignition timing is off by a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 You've been lulled in to the false sense that the computer or phone screen will tell you all that you need to know about the outside (inside in this case) world. Happens to all of us. I've found myself checking weather pages to see what's happening outside instead of just opening the door. Remove a spark plug and look at it to see if you're flooded. Use a timing light to see when spark happens. Check fuel pressure with a gauge. Real touchy-feely stuff, right at the actual engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Well my timing is direct on with what MS says, as verified with the timing gun. Phil at DIYautotune suggested that my injectors might have been fried and stuck open, hence the 10:1 AFR when cranking even with injectors completely unplugged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Then your plugs would be wet with fuel. Don't trust the gauge if you don't have to. You'd most likely smell gasoline also. Edited July 8, 2015 by NewZed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namor Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Well my timing is direct on with what MS says, as verified with the timing gun. Phil at DIYautotune suggested that my injectors might have been fried and stuck open, hence the 10:1 AFR when cranking even with injectors completely unplugged. Do you have a fuel pressure gauge? If an injector is stuck open, your fuel pressure will drop to 0 immediately when the fuel pump stops. If you don't have a gauge then I would let the fuel pump cycle a bit by turning the ignition on and off a couple times and then wait a minute and loosen a fuel line. If a little fuel sprays out, then you don't have a stuck injector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 Alright, I don't have a stuck injector. I tested them each with a 9v battery, they all fire fine. I do have fuel pressure, I have a gauge. It is holding pressure, so there is definitely not a stuck injector. I'm beginning to think my problem lies in my PWM. Is 2% duty cycle reasonable for cranking? It seems low for me. I am considering going back to dropping resistors honestly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) I thought the injectors were set to a specific ON time while cranking, not %, 2mS (2 milliseconds) would not be unusual. What are the parameters you set for PWM? On time, %, and frequency IIRC. Edited July 9, 2015 by SleeperZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 At last you're not focused on AFR's. From too wet to too dry. Still no plug examination. The old counting horse teeth without looking inside challenge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boog Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 I did examine plugs. They were wet, after a day of cranking and not starting. I bought drop resistors to eliminate all PWM values. I followed a writeup on hybridz, and they stated eat injector should get a 6 ohm 25 watt resistor. I could only get 5 and 8 ohm resistors, in 25 watt. Which would I be better off with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOZ UP Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Cranking PW is set as percentage of required fuel not DC%, if you have any recent MS2extra firmware. I think the others (MS2, MS1) are still in ms of PW. If 2% is your cranking PW%, it is way too small. Try 200-300% for a cold engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobythevan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I think you are on the right track to back up and try something you know has worked in the past. When I have problems starting an engine with megasquirt I go back and follow the first start guide. Like others have said, verify timing with a light. And then work through all of the basics for first start: is MS set to correct firing order, priming pulse settings, cranking pw settings, cold multipliers, etc. You said plugs are wet, but we don't know the context. Did you dry them out and then crank for two seconds and see them wet. Or, did you turn MS on and off several times plus some cranking and then see them wet. Keep at it, we will try to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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