inline6 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Anyone running a dry sump set up with an ARE pan? I'm looking into it and thinking about lowering the engine. I'm interested in lowering it by using custom or modified engine mounts. Curious if anyone has done this or something similar. Garrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP260Z Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Can't help you on this, but have you considered moving it back as well? One of the S30 racers over here back in the day (1973 or 4- Big Sam) had this done. I presume you are looking to aid handling/wt distribution? Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkspeed Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I have an ARE pan on the shelf. I could take some measurements if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inline6 Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Yes, that would be helpful. I was planning on buying one soon so I could take measurements. I'm not sure how to go about lowering the engine as much as possible, thus the reason for the post. Dropping the engine means dropping the front of the transmission. I assume dropping the front of the transmission means dropping the back also (will need a custom transmission mount). My initial thought is to lower the engine 3/4" to compensate for the extra height of the LD28 block. That would put the header (and custom exhaust) back in the same location as it was with the L-28, and solve the hood clearance problem. But, while I'm here... I figure I need to explore the possibilities. Edited December 28, 2016 by inline6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 A cowl induction hood solves that hood clearance issue as well, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Using the Nissan Motorsports pan I was able to drop the engine almost two inches and move it back about four inches. I replaced the stock rubber engine mounts with machined aluminum blocks. I had clearance issues with the oil pump and anti roll bar/X member, header collector and floor pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkspeed Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I finally got around to dragging it down. It may have less clearance than a stock pan! The "sump" is a 4"wide tray that runs the length of the pan on the drivers side. It measures about 3" from block to lowest point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I was going to say that but my memory sometimes fools me. I just notched an ARE pan going into a DP Miata because of the issue you point out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) I made my own oïl pan with a sheet of aluminium, with a Weaver bros dry sump pump system, and lowered the steering rack, and cross member,, so i am about 50 mm ( 2 ") lower . You have to realign the gear box bracket ( 25mm or 1") Of course, you have to modify the steering geometry to avoid any " bump steering" on such a bad suspension and steering system Edited February 25, 2016 by didier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkspeed Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That is interesting. Have any pictures of your pan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That is interesting. Have any pictures of your pan? Well, i'm working on my Z sometimes, not so much anyway, i'll try to make photos of my pan, steering rack, etc ...as soon as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inline6 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 I finally got around to dragging it down. It may have less clearance than a stock pan! The "sump" is a 4"wide tray that runs the length of the pan on the drivers side. It measures about 3" from block to lowest point. Uggh. Need to be able to drop the engine down at least 3/4". Thanks for taking the time to measure and provide the pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkspeed Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I tried to lower the best I could on the car I am building now. I used a different steering rack mounted slightly lower and dropped the engine until there was less than 1/4 inch clearance to oil pan. I dont think I gained much. I also moved the engine about 1" to passenger side for weight distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inline6 Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Been a while, but I was revisiting this topic and came across this picture on the Datsun Spirit site. This ARE sump pan appears to be a different design than the one shown on the ARE website. Can anyone confirm that the ARE pan has been redesigned so the "trough" (low part of the casting) is no longer running the full length of the pan? This design pictured would allow the engine to be dropped without interfering with the steering rack. I'll ask ARE and report back. Edited June 26, 2018 by inline6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inline6 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) I just heard back from Sandy Armstrong at ARE. "Garrett, Well, you have pointed out an error both in our catalog as well as on the internet....We have changed our 1120 pan to not have the full trough but to have rack clearance. So the way we manufacturer those now is like the one on the engine that you sent. Thanks for pointing that out I will get a new picture uploaded on the web site." So, the "new" ARE pan has more clearance at the rack. I'll buy one and figure out how much lower the engine can go. Edited June 26, 2018 by inline6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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