Moridin Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I've been seeing a lot of the Arnold banners in people's signatures, so I want to get some input on why you would. So, who's voting for Arnold, and why? What makes him better than McClintock, Camejo, Bustamonte, or Davis himself? Please don't answer with uneducated remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Unfortunately I cannot vote, but if for no other reason (of which there are many), is the Indian Gaming issue. I work for a very large public utility, and although I can't go into it, Davis has/is giving them political power that can bring this State to it's knees (I'm not exaggerating!!!). Every other major candidate has received very significant $$$ from the tribes. Vote for them at your peril. my 2c worth. BTW, my wife, who is a staunch democrat, has vote for Arnold.... Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David K Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I missed the registration deadline. I would vote for Arnold for the main fact that he is going to kick some Indian Gaming ass! I used to live up in Highland right across the road from San Manual Indian Reservation and Casino. The land, homes, and automobiles these people have is just gross. Each and every one of the Indian families that live on the reservation own a mansion, and im not blowing facts into proportion! They have special laws for their little peice of land. If you go on to their property on the reservation, they can shoot you. Its time to make these people pay for their luxuries. So im listening to the news right now and i head something about women accusing Arnold for rape/assault? I dont know the specifics, but why now? Why not come out when the incident happened? I dont sympathize with publicity whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Registered, ready, and willing! BTW, you should even see my Z. I have "Join Arnold!" in big bold letters across my rear window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 The Indian Gaming issue is a good point, but what about Arnold's lack of experience. As far as I know, this man has never had a hand in politics. He would not even go into a debate that didn't have to questions ready in advance for him. Don't forget that he didn't even vote in many past elections. What about McClintock? He seems to have a perfect record in politics. He keeps his word. Camejo is another excellent candidate that looks at everything empirically. When I saw him in the debate, he stayed out of the mud slinging, and presented every argument with some very good facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 Why does anyone want to recall Davis? I understand the gaming thing, but are there any other reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 McClintock is in the Indians back pocket already!! Look whose paying for all his TV ads. As for Arnold's lack of political experience, I think that's a bonus!! Look at what Jesse Ventura did for Minnessota!. Arnold will surround himself with experts, get their input and make his own decision, just like most politicians do, but I firmly believe that Arnold has the right intentions for the State in general, not self serving ones like GD. Arnold has a reputation as a very shrewd businessman, and that is exactly what's needed in CA., not another politician. As for recalling GD....his decisions are based on where the $$$ comes from, not what is good for the State. Just look at the last few Bills he has signed. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I thought Arnold was a good candidate until I read all his anti-gun statements. Sheesh. Glad I don't live over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David K Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I thought Arnold was a good candidate until I read all his anti-gun statements. Sheesh. Glad I don't live over there. I dont own a gun, but i do plan teaching my son proper gun safety and usage. The anti-gun policy doesnt bother me one bit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaparral2f Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 God, I love California! It's truly the entertainment capital of the world. Too bad this little sitcom ends next week. Oh well maybe someone should start a recall Swartzie movement. I am sure glad that I live in Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nic-Rebel450CA Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Why does anyone want to recall Davis? I understand the gaming thing, but are there any other reasons? Sure, just think about everything that sucks about California right now. It's all Davis. No money for anything. Hiring freeze on state workers, tons of state workers have had to take pay cuts even. Power crisis. Way too little police coverage. No money for any programs to keep kids out of trouble. The list goes on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 As with all elections, none of the candidates are perfect, but Arnold is most definitely the lesser of all the evils!!! . And as for the latest allegations, at least we know the dude is alive and has 'Man Blood' flowing through his veins, and isn't a sissy momma's boy!! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Dreamer Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Well lets see, while Davis can't be blamed for all of California's woes he has shown zero leadership, is totally incompetent (exempting fundraising) thus is a special interest whore and he tripled all of our vehicle registration fees. Camejo is a socialist, that's a communist without a gun. Socialist government's become the in-all and end-all's in the lives of their citizens, yikes! and no-thanks. My political views tend towards McClintock, but he has no friends at the state capital because of his scorched-earth polices and he takes tribal monies. I'm not terribly fond of Arnold, but he couldn't do any worst in my opinion. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Z Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I thought I'd throw a few things out there to chew on in response to the situation we now find ourselves in. For the record I am non-partisan, and I read a lot of sources from both ends of the political spectrum. Anyone who takes the time would learn that our budget problems are more complicated than appears. We are $38 billion in debt. $11 billion from the Enron/power crisis that turned out to be nothing more than price gauging. $10 billion from the dot com bubble burst, which left California lacking substantial tax revenues from all the failed and ailing companies left over. Compound that with the $8 billion from lost capital gains taxes from a flat stock market and you have $29 billion. Add the $4 billion from lost federal revenues and that gets you to $33 billion. Davis was turned from a fundraising machine into a hatchet man, and a lot of programs have suffered. Rather than blaming Davis exclusively I'd like to see the people like Ken Lay (who's still free to spend our money) get what they deserve. I'd like to see changes so that we aren't such a fairweather economy in California. In actuality, Davis hasn't gone nearly as crazy with the spending in this state as past governors have from both parties. But times are bad and it's easy to widdle the whole thing down to "he did it." I'm not sure that will entierly get us out of harm's way. A good friend of mine is on Arnold's campaign and as of tuesday they still didn't have substantial material detailing his game plan, everyone's in support mainly on a 'hunch' that he's right for the job. That makes a detail guy like me nervous. I can't support a candidate only because they seem cool, similarly I wouldn't let someone perform brain surgery on me because they seem like a nice person. Do they have the experience and forethought necessary for the job? He may, but too little has leaked out so far for what I consider prudent voting. As for the recall, I'm starting to side more with Ventura, who thinks it's a sham costing us $60 million we don't have thanks to one rich guy (Issa) who innitiated the recall 2 months after the election. "Just blame Davis folks, it's all his fault." Nice, simple, effective. No time to think it through too well though, the recall doesn't leave much time to pause and reflect. As for who's the momma's boy, well, your guess is as good as mine. Grey Davis received a bronze star and was a captain in Vietnam, commanding men and so on. Arnold has a good build, works well with movie-prop guns and drives cool hummers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a pro-Davis guy by any stretch and I'll be the first to bash him if he deserves it. I just wanted to put things in perspective. A tough decision indeed we face here in California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Dreamer Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 One question Brett, "what happened to the $8 billion surplus the state had before this mess?" Wouldn't that make it $46 billion that the state has lost? p.s. My wife wants a ride in your Z Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David K Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 If Arnold takes office, expect no more cool movies for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 Well lets see' date=' while Davis can't be blamed for all of California's woes he has shown zero leadership, is totally incompetent (exempting fundraising) thus is a special interest whore and he tripled all of our vehicle registration fees. Camejo is a socialist, that's a communist without a gun. Socialist government's become the in-all and end-all's in the lives of their citizens, yikes! and no-thanks. My political views tend towards McClintock, but he has no friends at the state capital because of his scorched-earth polices and he takes tribal monies. I'm not terribly fond of Arnold, but he couldn't do any worst in my opinion. Mark[/quote'] Socialism is far from communism. Two different animals and unfortunately or fortunately, the world is headed in that direction. Most of the E.U. is becoming socialist, and many areas of the world are now out of old imperialistic ideals and on to capitilism. It seems that Marxist theory is beginning to show some truth. Yes, communism didn't work with Russia and all, but that was because it wasn't truly communism, it was a mangled totalitarian version. Socialism in the E.U. seems to be the norm in Europe and isn't going anywhere. I haven't talked to the people, but I haven't heard anything going horribly wrong at the moment. As for Camejo, did anyone watch him speak? He wanted to move towards flat taxes and begin punishing executives that are stealing millions of tax dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Z Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 One question Brett, "what happened to the $8 billion surplus the state had before this mess?" Wouldn't that make it $46 billion that the state has lost? Homeland security hasn't been cheap either for state governments, and there are other reasons, some are very obviously bad planning on Davis' part. I could go on but it's late. Look around, most states are struck by ever-increasing debt. Our problems aren't unique, just accute. Is Davis to blame for all of it? No. Most of it? No. Some of it? Yes. Enough to justify a recall? Well, that's the 60 million dollar question we are faced with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 One question Brett' date=' "what happened to the $8 billion surplus the state had before this mess?" Wouldn't that make it $46 billion that the state has lost? p.s. My wife wants a ride in your Z Mark[/quote'] A ton of that went down the tube with the power crisis, which did not originate with Davis, but former Gov. Pete Wilson. Wilson passed a bill which tried to split up our power, but really only ended up selling it off to Cheney's power buddies in Texas. They then sold it back to us at higher prices. Couple this with no new power plants and many other circumstances, and boom...power crisis. As far as I know, Davis did try and get help from the national government for help, but only got the finger from the administration in Washington. Davis should have gone after Enron. Those guys are crooks and they definitely account for a big chunk of the deficit. As for the triple registration fees. I'm glad. I'd rather have triple registration fees, than triple fees for schooling. As it is, because the state senate screwed up were the money goes, I may have to wait a few years before I can transfer to a UC. If I have to pay triple registration fees to get a good education and keep those costs low, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oltmann Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Socialism is far from communism. Two different animals and unfortunately or fortunately' date=' the world is headed in that direction.[/quote'] socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods communism: a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed Those sound about the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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