Our rights are being taken away-Patriot Act

[tannji]

I hear ya.... and you are right, it would be nice to see the rest of the world survive without us, and just as interesting to see how some of our own citizens liked it if we were cut off from our oil for a few years.... of course, who would be around to pick up the pieces aftwards tho....

[Kevin Shasteen]

..' date=' The word Illuminati is derived from Lucifer, and means 'holders of the light.' Using the lie that his objective was to bring about a [b']One World government [/b]..,

 

Tanji,

 

First, if the One World Govt (New World Order) is equated to Luciferianism (Conspiracy Theory...whatever you want to call it) then I guess George Bush Sr. was a Luciferian because he couldnt give a speech w/out slobbering all over how wonderful a New World Order will be. He was the poster child for a NWO. He used the term NWO in about every major speech he gave.

 

Secondly, if you have even read any of his books then you would know that you have missed Commander Carr's points on his outlining how WWIII would begin.......COMMANDER CAR WAS NOT MAKING A PREDICTION!

 

He was making a quote. A quote he took from Albert Pikes personal letter Pike wrote to Mazzini. Albert Pike claimed three world wars are required: WWI, WWII, and WWIII, to bring about this One World Order. Alber Pike wrote this letter in the later 1800's way before the Axis powers or the Industrial Revolution determined who would be top dog in the emprical sence.

 

Albert Pike, who wrote Morals & Dogma, is the Grandfather of modern day freemasonry, says that Freemasonry is Luciferian Worship (weirdo crazy dude - what a conspiracy theorist...everyone knows Freemasons are just good people wanting to have a little brotherhood fun). Yea, that is some pretty weird stuff and Albert Pike was a satanist not just in word but in deed.

 

 

PParaska wrote:

Kevin, do you see centuries-long evil conspiracies at work everywhere you can't see all the facts? It certainly seems so. There are other motives for a gag order than to cover up some kind of evil conspiracy..,

 

No Pete I do not see evil conspiracies at work everywhere, but as a Christian whose bible, as we are lead to believe is the word of God, says that we do not struggle agains man - but of principalities and spiritual strongholds: and believe that evil does exists.

 

When I see evil at work I will not shy away from it. Too many of our so called political leaders spout the global jargon and I see that as a bad thing for America, simply because I have read what said globalist think - and that disturbs me.

 

Here are just a few of their comments as well as in interesting timeline:

 

(Dont forget G.Bush Sr. who couldnt stop saying NWO in his speeches as el numero uno cheerleader)..,

 

1912 -- Colonel Edward M. House, a close advisor of President Woodrow Wilson, publishes Phillip Dru: Administrator in which he promotes "socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx."

 

1913 -- The Federal Reserve (neither federal nor a reserve) is created. It was planned at a secret meeting in 1910 on Jekyll Island, Georgia by a group of bankers and politicians, including Col. House. This transferred the power to create money from the American government to a private group of bankers. It is probably the largest generator of debt in the world.

 

July 28, 1914 -- World War I is triggered by the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria.

 

May 27, 1916 -- President Woodrow Wilson proposes at the League of Nations in a speech before the League to Enforce Peace, a world needed to prevent the recurrence of a similar war was a world government.

 

November 11, 1918 -- The end of World War I, after the signing of the Armistice at the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month.

 

May 30, 1919 -- Prominent British and American personalities establish the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England and the Institute of International Affairs in the U.S. at a meeting arranged by Col. House attended by various Fabian socialists, including noted economist John Maynard Keynes. Two years later, Col. House reorganizes the Institute of International Affairs into the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

 

December 15, 1922 -- The CFR endorses World Government in its magazine Foreign Affairs. Author Philip Kerr, states:

 

"Obviously there is going to be no peace or prosperity for mankind as long as [the earth] remains divided into 50 or 60 independent states until some kind of international system is created...The real problem today is that of the world government."

 

1928 -- The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by H.G. Well is published. A former Fabian Socialist, Wells writes:

 

"The political world of the into a Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments... The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms; it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York... The character of the Open Conspiracy will now be plainly displayed... It will be a world religion."

 

1931 -- Students at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow are taught:

 

"One day we shall start to spread the most theatrical peace movement the world has ever seen. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent...will fall into the trap offered by the possibility of making new friends. Our day will come in 30 years or so... The bourgeoisie must be lulled into a false sense of security.

 

 

1932 -- New books are published urging New World Order:

 

Toward Soviet America by William Z. Foster. Head of the Communist Party USA, Foster indicates that a National Department of Education would be one of the means used to develop a new socialist society in the U.S.

 

The New World Order by F.S. Marvin, describing the League of Nations as the first attempt at a New World Order. Marvin says, "nationality must rank below the claims of mankind as a whole."

 

Dare the School Build a New Social Order? is published. Educator author George Counts asserts that:

"...the teachers should deliberately reach for power and then make the most of their conquest" in order to "influence the social attitudes, ideals and behavior of the coming generation...The growth of science and technology has carried us into a new age where ignorance must be replaced by knowledge, competition by cooperation, trust in Providence by careful planning and private capitalism by some form of social economy."

 

Plan for Peace by American Birth Control League founder Margaret Sanger (1921) is published. She calls for coercive sterilization, mandatory segregation, and rehabilitative concentration camps for all "dysgenic stocks" including Blacks, Hispanics, American Indians and Catholics.

 

1933 -- The first Humanist Manifesto is published. Co-author John Dewey, the noted philosopher and educator, calls for a synthesizing of all religions and "a socialized and cooperative economic order."

 

Co-signer C.F. Potter said in 1930: "Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American public school is a school of humanism. What can the theistic Sunday schools, meeting for an hour once a week, teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teaching?

 

1933 -- The Shape of Things to Come by H.G. Wells is published. Wells predicts a second world war around 1940, originating from a German-Polish dispute. After 1945 there would be an increasing lack of public safety in "criminally infected" areas. The plan for the "Modern World-State" would succeed on its third attempt (about 1980), and come out of something that occurred in Basra, Iraq.

 

The book also states, "Although world government had been plainly coming for some years, although it had been endlessly feared and murmured against, it found no opposition prepared anywhere."

 

1934 -- The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey is published. Bailey is an occultist, whose works are channeled from a spirit guide, the Tibetan Master [demon spirit] Djwahl Kuhl. Bailey uses the phrase "points of light" in connection with a "New Group of World Servers" and claims that 1934 marks the beginning of "the organizing of the men and women...group work of a new order...[with] progress defined by service...the world of the Brotherhood...the Forces of Light...[and] out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built."

 

The book is published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and has been a major player at the recent U.N. summits. Later Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller would credit the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject.

 

October 28, 1939 -- In an address by John Foster Dulles, later U.S. Secretary of State, he proposes that America lead the transition to a new order of less independent, semi-sovereign states bound together by a league or federal union.

 

1939 -- New World Order by H. G. Wells proposes a collectivist one-world state"' or "new world order" comprised of "socialist democracies." He advocates "universal conscription for service" and declares that "nationalist individualism...is the world's disease." He continues:

 

"The manifest necessity for some collective world control to eliminate warfare and the less generally admitted necessity for a collective control of the economic and biological life of mankind, are aspects of one and the same process." He proposes that this be accomplished through "universal law" and propaganda (or education)."

 

1940 -- The New World Order is published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and contains a select list of references on regional and world federation, together with some special plans for world order after the war.

 

December 12, 1940 -- In The Congressional Record an article entitled A New World Order John G. Alexander calls for a world federation.

 

1942 -- The leftist Institute of Pacific Relations publishes Post War Worlds by P.E. Corbett:

 

"World government is the ultimate aim...It must be recognized that the law of nations takes precedence over national law...The process will have to be assisted by the deletion of the nationalistic material employed in educational textbooks and its replacement by material explaining the benefits of wiser association."

 

June 28, 1945 -- President Truman endorses world government in a speech:

 

"It will be just as easy for nations to get along in a republic of the world as it is for us to get along in a republic of the United States."

 

October 24, 1945 -- The United Nations Charter becomes effective. Also on October 24, Senator Glen Taylor (D-Idaho) introduces Senate Resolution 183 calling upon the U.S. Senate to go on record as favoring creation of a world republic including an international police force.

 

1946 -- Alger Hiss is elected President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hiss holds this office until 1949. Early in 1950, he is convicted of perjury and sentenced to prison after a sensational trial and Congressional hearing in which Whittaker Chambers, a former senior editor of Time, testifies that Hiss was a member of his Communist Party cell.

 

1946 -- The Teacher and World Government by former editor of the NEA Journal (National Education Association) Joy Elmer Morgan is published. He says:

 

"In the struggle to establish an adequate world government, the teacher...can do much to prepare the hearts and minds of children for global understanding and cooperation...At the very heart of all the agencies which will assure the coming of world government must stand the school, the teacher, and the organized profession."

 

1947 -- The American Education Fellowship, formerly the Progressive Education Association, organized by John Dewey, calls for the:

 

"...establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority..."

 

October, 1947 -- NEA Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that teachers should:

 

"...teach about the various proposals that have been made for the strengthening of the United Nations and the establishment of a world citizenship and world government."

 

1948 -- Walden II by behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner proposes "a perfect society or new and more perfect order" in which children are reared by the State, rather than by their parents and are trained from birth to demonstrate only desirable behavior and characteristics. Skinner's ideas would be widely implemented by educators in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s as Values Clarification and Outcome Based Education.

 

July, 1948 -- Britain's Sir Harold Butler, in the CFR's Foreign Affairs, sees "a New World Order" taking shape:

 

"How far can the life of nations, which for centuries have thought of themselves as distinct and unique, be merged with the life of other nations? How far are they prepared to sacrifice a part of their sovereignty without which there can be no effective economic or political union?...Out of the prevailing confusion a new world is taking shape... which may point the way toward the new order... That will be the beginning of a real United Nations, no longer crippled by a split personality, but held together by a common faith."

 

1948 -- UNESCO president and Fabian Socialist, Sir Julian Huxley, calls for a radical eugenic policy in UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. He states:

 

"Thus, even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy of controlled human breeding will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake that much that is now unthinkable may at least become thinkable."

 

1948 -- The preliminary draft of a World Constitution is published by U.S. educators advocating regional federation on the way toward world federation or government with England incorporated into a European federation.

 

The Constitution provides for a "World Council" along with a "Chamber of Guardians" to enforce world law. Also included is a "Preamble" calling upon nations to surrender their arms to the world government, and includes the right of this "Federal Republic of the World" to seize private property for federal use.

 

February 9, 1950 -- The Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee introduces Senate Concurrent Resolution 66 which begins:

 

"Whereas, in order to achieve universal peace and justice, the present Charter of the United Nations should be changed to provide a true world government constitution."

 

The resolution was first introduced in the Senate on September 13, 1949 by Senator Glen Taylor (D-Idaho). Senator Alexander Wiley (R-Wisconsin) called it "a consummation devoutly to be wished for" and said, "I understand your proposition is either change the United Nations, or change or create, by a separate convention, a world order." Senator Taylor later stated:

 

"We would have to sacrifice considerable sovereignty to the world organization to enable them to levy taxes in their own right to support themselves."

 

April 12, 1952 -- John Foster Dulles, later to become Secretary of State, says in a speech to the American Bar Association in Louisville, Kentucky, that "treaty laws can override the Constitution." He says treaties can take power away from Congress and give them to the President. They can take powers from the States and give them to the Federal Government or to some international body and they can cut across the rights given to the people by their constitutional Bill of Rights.

 

A Senate amendment, proposed by GOP Senator John Bricker, would have provided that no treaty could supersede the Constitution, but it fails to pass by one vote.

 

1954 -- Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands establishes the Bilderbergers, international politicians and bankers who meet secretly on an annual basis, even to this day. The 2003 meeting took place over the weekend of 15 to 18 May in Versailles, Paris.

 

1958 -- World Peace through World Law is published, where authors Grenville Clark and Louis Sohn advocate using the U.N. as a governing body for the world, world disarmament, a world police force and legislature.

 

1959 -- The Council on Foreign Relations calls for a New International Order. Study Number 7, issued on November 25, advocated:

 

"...new international order [which] must be responsive to world aspirations for peace, for social and economic change...an international order...including states labeling themselves as 'socialist' [communist]."

 

1959 -- The World Constitution and Parliament Association is founded which later develops a Diagram of World Government under the Constitution for the Federation of Earth.

 

1959 -- The Mid-Century Challenge to U.S. Foreign Policy is published, sponsored by the Rockefeller Brothers' Fund. It explains that the U.S.:

 

"...cannot escape, and indeed should welcome...the task which history has imposed on us. This is the task of helping to shape a new world order in all its dimensions -- spiritual, economic, political, social."

 

September 9, 1960 -- President Eisenhower signs Senate Joint Resolution 170, promoting the concept of a federal Atlantic Union. Pollster and Atlantic Union Committee treasurer, Elmo Roper, later delivers an address titled, The Goal Is Government of All the World, in which he states:

 

"For it becomes clear that the first step toward World Government cannot be completed until we have advanced on the four fronts: the economic, the military, the political and the social."

 

1961 -- The U.S. State Department issues a plan to disarm all nations and arm the United Nations. State Department Document Number 7277 is entitled Freedom From War: The U.S. Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. It details a three-stage plan to disarm all nations and arm the U.N. with the final stage in which "no state would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force."

 

1962 -- New Calls for World Federalism. In a study titled, A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield states:

 

"...if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government."

 

The Future of Federalism by author Nelson Rockefeller is published. The one-time Governor of New York, claims that current events compellingly demand a "new world order," as the old order is crumbling, and there is "a new and free order struggling to be born." Rockefeller says there is:

 

"a fever of nationalism...[but] the nation-state is becoming less and less competent to perform its international political tasks....These are some of the reasons pressing us to lead vigorously toward the true building of a new world order... [with] voluntary service...and our dedicated faith in the brotherhood of all mankind....Sooner perhaps than we may realize...there will evolve the bases for a federal structure of the free world."

 

1963 -- J. William Fulbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee speaks at a symposium sponsored by the Fund for the Republic, a left-wing project of the Ford Foundation:

 

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable...government by the people is possible but highly improbable."

 

1964 -- Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Handbook II is published. Author Benjamin Bloom states:

 

"...a large part of what we call 'good teaching' is the teacher's ability to attain affective objectives through challenging the students' fixed beliefs."

 

His Outcome-Based Education (OBE) method of teaching would first be tried as Mastery Learning in Chicago schools. After five years, Chicago students' test scores had plummeted causing outrage among parents. OBE would leave a trail of wreckage wherever it would be tried and under whatever name it would be used. At the same time, it would become crucial to globalists for overhauling the education system to promote attitude changes among school students.

 

1964 -- Visions of Order by Richard Weaver is published. He describes:

 

"progressive educators as a 'revolutionary cabal' engaged in 'a systematic attempt to undermine society's traditions and beliefs.'"

 

1967 -- Richard Nixon calls for New World Order. In Asia after Vietnam, in the October issue of Foreign Affairs, Nixon writes of nations' dispositions to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a "new world order."

 

1968 -- Joy Elmer Morgan, former editor of the NEA Journal publishes The American Citizens Handbook in which he says:

 

"the coming of the United Nations and the urgent necessity that it evolve into a more comprehensive form of world government places upon the citizens of the United States an increased obligation to make the most of their citizenship which now widens into active world citizenship."

 

July 26, 1968 -- Nelson Rockefeller pledges support of the New World Order. In an Associated Press report, Rockefeller pledges that, "as President, he would work toward international creation of a new world order."

 

1970 -- Education and the mass media promote world order. In Thinking About A New World Order for the Decade 1990, author Ian Baldwin, Jr. asserts that:

 

"...the World Law Fund has begun a worldwide research and educational program that will introduce a new, emerging discipline -- world order -- into educational curricula throughout the world...and to concentrate some of its energies on bringing basic world order concepts into the mass media again on a worldwide level."

 

1972 -- President Nixon visits China. In his toast to Chinese Premier Chou En-lai, former CFR member and now President, Richard Nixon, expresses "the hope that each of us has to build a new world order."

 

May 18, 1972 -- In speaking of the coming of world government, Roy M. Ash, director of the Office of Management and Budget, declares that:

 

"within two decades the institutional framework for a world economic community will be in place...[and] aspects of individual sovereignty will be given over to a supernational authority."

 

1973 -- The Trilateral Commission is established. Banker David Rockefeller organizes this new private body and chooses Zbigniew Brzezinski, later National Security Advisor to President Carter, as the Commission's first director and invites Jimmy Carter to become a founding member.

 

1973 -- Humanist Manifesto II is published:

 

"The next century can be and should be the humanistic century...we stand at the dawn of a new age...a secular society on a planetary scale....As non-theists we begin with humans not God, nature not deity...we deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds....Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government....The true revolution is occurring."

 

April, 1974 -- Former U. S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Trilateralist and CFR member Richard Gardner's article The Hard Road to World Order is published in the CFR's Foreign Affairs where he states that:

 

"the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

 

1974 -- The World Conference of Religion for Peace, held in Louvain, Belgium is held. Douglas Roche presents a report entitled We Can Achieve a New World Order.

 

The U.N. calls for wealth redistribution: In a report entitled New International Economic Order, the U.N. General Assembly outlines a plan to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor nations.

 

1975 -- A study titled, A New World Order, is published by the Center of International Studies, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Studies, Princeton University.

 

1975 -- In Congress, 32 Senators and 92 Representatives sign A Declaration of Interdependence, written by historian Henry Steele Commager. The Declaration states that:

 

"we must join with others to bring forth a new world order... Narrow notions of national sovereignty must not be permitted to curtail that obligation."

 

Congresswoman Marjorie Holt refuses to sign the Declaration saying:

 

"It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a 'new world order' that would redistribute the wealth created by the American people."

 

1975 -- Retired Navy Admiral Chester Ward, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy and former CFR member, writes in a critique that the goal of the CFR is the "submergence of U. S. sovereignty and national independence into an all powerful one-world government..."

 

1975 -- Kissinger on the Couch is published. Authors Phyllis Schlafly and former CFR member Chester Ward state:

 

"Once the ruling members of the CFR have decided that the U.S. government should espouse a particular policy, the very substantial research facilities of the CFR are put to work to develop arguments, intellectual and emotional, to support the new policy and to confound, discredit, intellectually and politically, any opposition..."

 

1976 -- RIO: Reshaping the International Order is published by the globalist Club of Rome, calling for a new international order, including an economic redistribution of wealth.

 

1977 -- The Third Try at World Order is published. Author Harlan Cleveland of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies calls for:

 

"changing Americans' attitudes and institutions" for "complete disarmament (except for international soldiers)" and "for individual entitlement to food, health and education."

 

[sound like America today?]

 

1977 -- Imperial Brain Trust by Laurence Shoup and William Minter is published. The book takes a critical look at the Council on Foreign Relations with chapters such as: Shaping a New World Order: The Council's Blueprint for Global Hegemony, 1939-1944 and Toward the 1980's: The Council's Plans for a New World Order.

 

1977 -- The Trilateral Connection appears in the July edition of Atlantic Monthly. Written by Jeremiah Novak, it says:

 

"For the third time in this century, a group of American schools, businessmen, and government officials is planning to fashion a New World Order..."

 

1977 -- Leading educator Mortimer Adler publishes Philosopher at Large in which he says:

 

"...if local civil government is necessary for local civil peace, then world civil government is necessary for world peace."

 

1979 -- Barry Goldwater, retiring Republican Senator from Arizona, publishes his autobiography With No Apologies. He writes:

 

"In my view The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power -- political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."

 

October 11, 2001 -- Tom Brokaw (popular US news anchor) announces the world now has formed into the New World Order.

 

So, yeah Pete & company..., I guess the fact that I believe a New World Order is here puts me in some pretty elite company...but hey - again I am simply a guy who reads too much.

 

This is the slippery slope I'm talking about. In order for said NWO to exists, America has to be crippled - and yea that makes me sick to my stomach to see it coming.

 

BTW anyone that doesnt think the "War on Terroism" is about to get worse...please explain to me why CNN did a short soundbite on the upcoming JOINT Draft thursday night. The draft included USA, France, and England. If the war on terror is going to be complete and things will then turn back to normal...why are these three countries attempting to finalize a joint draft?

 

I've been reading bits and pieces about said draft on the internet for the last 6 months bit this was the first time I've seen anything on the boob-tube.

 

The NWO is not a conspiracy theory...it is very open - all you have to do is read and then attempt to understand that which you read. It is a very open agenda and the War on Terrorism plays right into its hands...this is the intriguing part I am fascinated when trying to understand when politics is driving economics and religion, or religion is driving economics and politics, or economics is driving politics and religion.

 

That is the slippery slope I keep referring to - we IMHO are heading smack dab into a NWO global government.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[Mikelly]

So Kevin, I assume the Republican National convention got your donation?

 

I've got my own opinions about Carr and his writtings, but they aren't as positive as yours... Kevin, I know that you buy in to a LOT of these theories, but in my opinion, most of them are a stretch, and most certainly feed off the "7 degrees of seperation" theory of building a good conspiracy...

 

I find life to be much more entertaining than fiction, but to each his own!

 

Mike

[johnc]

http://www.alchemica.co.uk/conspire/

[Kevin Shasteen]

1990 -- The World Federalist Association faults the American press. Writing in their Summer/Fall newsletter, Deputy Director Eric Cox describes world events over the past year or two and declares:

 

"It's sad but true that the slow-witted American press has not grasped the significance of most of these developments. But most federalists know what is happening...And they are not frightened by the old bug-a-boo of sovereignty."

 

April 11, 1990 -- Russian President Gorbachev announced Russia would join New World Order.

 

August 2, 1990 -- Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

 

August 17, 1990 -- President Bush [senior] announces that the Iraqi invasion "threatens the New World Order".

 

September 11, 1990 -- President Bush calls the Gulf War an opportunity for the New World Order. In an address to Congress entitled Toward a New World Order, Mr. Bush says:

 

"The crisis in the Persian Gulf offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times... a new world order can emerge in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony.... Today the new world is struggling to be born."

 

September 25, 1990 -- In an address to the U.N., Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze describes Iraq's invasion of Kuwait as "an act of terrorism [that] has been perpetrated against the emerging New World Order." On December 31, Gorbachev declares that the New World Order would be ushered in by the Gulf Crisis.

 

October 1, 1990 -- In a U.N. address, President Bush speaks of the:

 

"...collective strength of the world community expressed by the U.N...an historic movement towards a new world order... a new partnership of nations... a time when humankind came into its own... to bring about a revolution of the spirit and the mind and begin a journey into a... new age."

 

1991 -- Author Linda MacRae-Campbell publishes How to Start a Revolution at Your School in In Context. She promotes the use of "change agents" as "self-acknowledged revolutionaries" and "co-conspirators."

 

1991 -- President Bush praises the New World Order in a State of Union Message:

 

"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea -- a new world order... to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law.... The illumination of a thousand points of light.... The winds of change are with us now."

 

February 6, 1991 -- President Bush tells the Economic Club of New York:

 

"My vision of a new world order foresees a United Nations with a revitalized peacekeeping function."

 

June, 1991 -- The Council on Foreign Relations co-sponsors an assembly Rethinking America's Security: Beyond Cold War to New World Order which is attended by 65 prestigious members of government, labor, academia, the media, military, and the professions from nine countries. Later, several of the conference participants joined some 100 other world leaders for another closed door meeting of the Bilderberg Society in Baden Baden, Germany. The Bilderbergers also exert considerable clout in determining the foreign policies of their respective governments.

 

July, 1991 -- The Southeastern World Affairs Institute discusses the New World Order. In a program, topics include, Legal Structures for a New World Order and The United Nations: From its Conception to a New World Order. Participants include a former director of the U.N.'s General Legal Division, and a former Secretary General of International Planned Parenthood.

 

Late July, 1991 -- On a Cable News Network program, CFR member and former CIA director Stansfield Turner (Rhodes scholar), when asked about Iraq, responded:

 

"We have a much bigger objective. We've got to look at the long run here. This is an example -- the situation between the United Nations and Iraq -- where the United Nations is deliberately intruding into the sovereignty of a sovereign nation...Now this is a marvelous precedent (to be used in) all countries of the world..."

 

October 29, 1991 -- David Funderburk, former U. S. Ambassador to Romania, tells a North Carolina audience:

 

"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American system are converging."

 

The vehicle to bring this about, said Funderburk, is the United Nations, "the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and anti-American." Funderburk served as ambassador in Bucharest from 1981 to 1985, when he resigned in frustration over U.S. support of the oppressive regime of the late Rumanian dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu.

 

October 30, 1991: -- President Gorbachev at the Middle East Peace Talks in Madrid states:

 

"We are beginning to see practical support. And this is a very significant sign of the movement towards a new era, a new age... We see both in our country and elsewhere...ghosts of the old thinking...When we rid ourselves of their presence, we will be better able to move toward a new world order... relying on the relevant mechanisms of the United Nations."

 

Elsewhere, in Alexandria, Virginia, Elena Lenskaya, Counsellor to the Minister of Education of Russia, delivers the keynote address for a program titled, Education for a New World Order.

 

1992 -- The Twilight of Sovereignty by CFR member (and former Citicorp Chairman) Walter Wriston is published, in which he claims:

 

"A truly global economy will require ...compromises of national sovereignty... There is no escaping the system."

 

1992 -- The United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) Earth Summit takes place in Rio de Janeiro this year, headed by Conference Secretary-General Maurice Strong. The main products of this summit are the Biodiversity Treaty and Agenda 21, which the U.S. hesitates to sign because of opposition at home due to the threat to sovereignty and economics. The summit says the first world's wealth must be transferred to the third world.

 

July 20, 1992 -- TIME magazine publishes The Birth of the Global Nation by Strobe Talbott, Rhodes Scholar, roommate of Bill Clinton at Oxford University, CFR Director, and Trilateralist, in which he writes:

 

"All countries are basically social arrangements... No matter how permanent or even sacred they may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary... Perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all... But it has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible century to clinch the case for world government."

 

As an editor of Time, Talbott defended Clinton during his presidential campaign. He was appointed by President Clinton as the number two person at the State Department behind Secretary of State Warren Christopher, former Trilateralist and former CFR Vice-Chairman and Director. Talbott was confirmed by about two-thirds of the U.S. Senate despite his statement about the unimportance of national sovereignty.

 

September 29, 1992 -- At a town hall meeting in Los Angeles, Trilateralist and former CFR president Winston Lord delivers a speech titled Changing Our Ways: America and the New World, in which he remarks:

 

"To a certain extent, we are going to have to yield some of our sovereignty, which will be controversial at home... [under] the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)... some Americans are going to be hurt as low-wage jobs are taken away."

 

Lord became an Assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration.

 

Winter, 1992-93 -- The CFR's Foreign Affairs publishes Empowering the United Nations by U.N. Secretary General Boutros-Boutros Ghali, who asserts:

 

"It is undeniable that the centuries-old doctrine of absolute and exclusive sovereignty no longer stands... Underlying the rights of the individual and the rights of peoples is a dimension of universal sovereignty that resides in all humanity... It is a sense that increasingly finds expression in the gradual expansion of international law... In this setting the significance of the United Nations should be evident and accepted."

 

December 31, 1992 -- Formation of Western Europe as the first nation to be formed in the global 10-Nation Reorganization Plan.

 

1993 -- Strobe Talbott receives the Norman Cousins Global Governance Award for his 1992 TIME article, The Birth of the Global Nation and in appreciation for what he has done "for the cause of global governance." President Clinton writes a letter of congratulation which states:

 

"Norman Cousins worked for world peace and world government... Strobe Talbott's lifetime achievements as a voice for global harmony have earned him this recognition... He will be a worthy recipient of the Norman Cousins Global Governance Award. Best wishes... for future success."

 

Not only does President Clinton use the specific term, "world government," but he also expressly wishes the WFA "future success" in pursuing world federal government. Talbott proudly accepts the award, but says the WFA should have given it to the other nominee, Mikhail Gorbachev.

 

April 19, 1993 -- Waco conflagration.

 

July 18, 1993 -- CFR member and Trilateralist Henry Kissinger writes in the Los Angeles Times concerning NAFTA:

 

"What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system... a first step toward a new world order."

 

August 23, 1993 -- Christopher Hitchens, Socialist friend of Bill Clinton when he was at Oxford University, says in a C-Span interview:

 

"...it is, of course the case that there is a ruling class in this country, and that it has allies internationally."

 

October 30, 1993 -- Washington Post ombudsman Richard Harwood does an op-ed piece about the role of the CFR's media members:

 

"Their membership is an acknowledgment of their ascension into the American ruling class [where] they do not merely analyze and interpret foreign policy for the United States; they help make it."

 

January/February, 1994 -- The CFR's Foreign Affairs prints an opening article by CFR Senior Fellow Michael Clough in which he writes that the "Wise Men" (e.g. Paul Nitze, Dean Acheson, George Kennan, and John J. McCloy) have:

 

"assiduously guarded it [American foreign policy] for the past 50 years...They ascended to power during World War II...This was as it should be. National security and the national interest, they argued must transcend the special interests and passions of the people who make up America... How was this small band of Atlantic-minded internationalists able to triumph?... Eastern internationalists were able to shape and staff the burgeoning foreign policy institutions... As long as the Cold War endured and nuclear Armageddon seemed only a missile away, the public was willing to tolerate such an undemocratic foreign policy making system."

 

1995 -- The State of the World Forum took place in the fall of this year, sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation located at the Presidio in San Francisco. Foundation President Jim Garrison chairs the meeting of who's-whos from around the world including Margaret Thatcher, Maurice Strong, George Bush, Mikhail Gorbachev and others. Conversation centers around the oneness of mankind and the coming global government. However, the term "global governance" is now used in place of "new world order" since the latter has become a political liability, being a lightning rod for opponents of global government.

 

April 19, 1995 -- Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal Murrah Building.

 

1996 -- The United Nations 420-page report Our Global Neighborhood is published. It outlines a plan for "global governance," calling for an international Conference on Global Governance in 1998 for the purpose of submitting to the world the necessary treaties and agreements for ratification by the year 2000.

 

1996 -- State of the World Forum II takes place in the fall in San Francisco. Many of the sessions are closed to the press.

 

September 11, 2001 -- terrorists attack and destroy the World Trade Center and severely damage the Pentagon.

 

October 11, 2001 -- Tom Brokaw (popular US news anchor) announces the world now has formed into the New World Order.

 

March 17, 2003 -- At 8:15pm, EST, President Bush announces a 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to leave the country with his sons, or suffer the invasion.

 

...only but a few "New World Order" comments from the 90's to current.

 

HOW MANY TIMES DO THESE GOONS HAVE TO REPEAT THE PHRASE NEW WORLD ORDER or Global Governance until you begin to believe that they believe a New World Order is on the rise?

 

It is their words.....NOT MINE. Those of you who are in denial that a NWO is forming are not arguing w/me....you are arguing with your own politicians.

 

George Bush Jr. said in his speech the other day where he declared "Pensicola Fla a Federal Disaster Zone" called the Pensicolans "Citizens of the World". He DID NOT call them people of Florida, Pensicola Citizens, or Floridians: he called them Citizens of the World! Someone should remind Bush Jr. that he is a Conspiracy Nut if he believes a One World Nation exists to which people of the several nations are citizens in this World Organization. I'm sure he was ubducted by a UFO and anal probed and brainwashed until he agreed to refer to sovereign Floridians as Citizens of the World.

 

As far as I am concerned, regardless of how honorable this war may be, it and the Patriot Act(s) still play right into the hands of those who desire a NWO.

 

You either read those quotes and realize these people believe in and want a NWO or you dont see it because you dont want to see it.

 

As far as I am concnerned The handwriting is on the wall...mene, tekel, peres.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[Mikelly]

'ER, Uh, ummm Kevin, Ever hear of Buzz words???

 

New world order was being thrown around just like "global Warming", "net-centric", "horozontal fusion" and any number of other catch phrases... You can read into anything and make of it what you wish. In the end, what do you really have?

 

My wife has this opinion that we waste our time voting, because the decision has been made before the candidates are picked, so why bother!

 

Maybe you to should chat!

 

MIke 8)

[tannji]

Not to put too fine a point to it, but if you didnt google the phrase "New World Order" so much you might be less alarmed or obsessed with it. My suggestion here would be to go back to your last post, and explain how each and every one of the highlighted quotes you pasted is referring to the same "shadow organization" upon which you have fixated. It would also lend your pastes more credence if you expounded upon them rather than just brandishing them in our faces like some spook detectives photos of aurae.

[Mikelly]

Tannji, You mean, out it IN context? But it is soooo much more fun and has soooo much more punch when taken OUT of context... Kind of like broadcast journalism....

 

Kevin, are you moonlighting for NPR?

 

I kid... I'm a kidder... I kill me!

 

Mike

[Kevin Shasteen]

Mike,

 

Sounds like your wife is disillusioned w/politics as much as if not more than you? I wonder sometimes myself why we even bother - my only answer would be that you never know who is on the up & up -vs- those that are only in it for the money, power, and connections.

 

We only need 45 more hits to this thread and we will have reached 2000. I would say there is more to what we are talking about than meets the eye and obviously more readers than posters...which implies people are interested in the subjects of Internationalism -vs- Nationalism -vs- State Sovereignty.

 

Dont fret guys, I'm done - I believe we have just about kicked this dead horse as much as possible.., and it appears it still doesnt want to get up and walk.

 

You can also read out of something which your mind doesnt want to see: the pendulum swings both ways

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[tannji]

about 500 of those hits were me, Mike, and Pete.....

 

The conversing here is good. I dont see too many forums where I would even post in the political threads, another kudos to our little corner. I almost started a new topic on the Beheadings and the vids circulating.... but am too pissed off to really get anything coherent out, and I havent even viewed the videos. (and most likely will not) We have an awful lot to be appreciative of, and some of those things have been apparent in our meeting of the minds here in this forum and thread. Its is good to get a reminder every now and again that I really do love my country, and even like a few of the people residing in it......

tannji

[tannji]

Tannji, You mean, out it IN context?

 

I had to read that a couple of time before my puny tired little brain would make anything of it..... but I laughed, eventually. thanks for capitalizing "IN", or I would have had to go to bed nursing a headache, instead of recovering from one, lol.

[Guest freedomfighter]

about 500 of those hits were me' date=' Mike, and Pete.....

 

The conversing here is good. I dont see too many forums where I would even post in the political threads, another kudos to our little corner. I almost started a new topic on the Beheadings and the vids circulating.... but am too pissed off to really get anything coherent out, and I havent even viewed the videos. (and most likely will not) We have an awful lot to be appreciative of, and some of those things have been apparent in our meeting of the minds here in this forum and thread. Its is good to get a reminder every now and again that I really do love my country, and even like a few of the people residing in it......

tannji[/quote']

 

I know I'm new here, but I have contributed at least 100 or more views myself... I have seen the videos, and I for one, think every MAN should. I don't mean that to come off as sexist... I simply believe a man has a special duty to family and country. That WE MUST look our enemy in their eyes and see them for the sh*t that they are. We need to squash them like the puny cockroach that they are!!! This is the only universal language that they understand and respect.

[Guest freedomfighter]

...only but a few "New World Order" comments from the 90's to current.

 

HOW MANY TIMES DO THESE GOONS HAVE TO REPEAT THE PHRASE NEW WORLD ORDER or Global Governance until you begin to believe that they believe a New World Order is on the rise?

 

It is their words.....NOT MINE. Those of you who are in denial that a NWO is forming are not arguing w/me....you are arguing with your own politicians.

 

George Bush Jr. said in his speech the other day where he declared "Pensicola Fla a Federal Disaster Zone" called the Pensicolans "Citizens of the World". He DID NOT call them people of Florida' date=' Pensicola Citizens, or Floridians: he called them Citizens of the World! Someone should remind Bush Jr. that he is a Conspiracy Nut if he believes a One World Nation exists to which people of the several nations are citizens in this World Organization. I'm sure he was ubducted by a UFO and anal probed and brainwashed until he agreed to refer to sovereign Floridians as Citizens of the World.

 

As far as I am concerned, regardless of how honorable this war may be, it and the Patriot Act(s) still play right into the hands of those who desire a NWO.

 

You either read those quotes and realize these people believe in and want a NWO or you dont see it because you dont want to see it.

 

As far as I am concnerned The handwriting is on the wall...mene, tekel, peres.

 

[/quote']

 

Hey dude, I have to say you've posted some really interesting stuff. I've tried to figure out where you stand, and who you support, but have to admit the length of your posts make that difficult. I usually start to dose off somewhere in there...

Let me say simply this. There is a better way to bring views to the table other then allowing ones self to automatically be stereotyped in a rather radical light.

Just a couple of points.

Mikelly is absolutely right... buzz words... before you automatically tag a public figure for being a part of the theory, remember societies heavy use of buzz words. Just because Bush uses the the phrase NWO, does not mean he is the anti-Christ, trying to usher in the NWO.

It is a fact that there will eventually be a NWO. This is an unavoidable reality that no one on earth will be able to stop. I think it is very healthy to follow current events in order to see thia unfold, but it is pointless and futile to try and do anything to stop it. Of course we must always stand for what is right, I for one am against it, and will always act accordingly. My only point here, is that life is WAY to short to worry about these things. We have other more important things to do while we are here. Things we DO have control over, things that will make a difference. We can and must focus on all that is possitive and do the very best to live our lives centered on these things.

Being rather indipendent (we should have a spell checker in here) I have to work pretty hard to know our leaders. I don't tow any "company line" if you know what I mean. I'm telling you, this guy Bush, is something special. He is truly one of the most real people we have ever had as Comander and Chief. He deserves massive respect and support. He will go down in history as one of the most amazing presidents ever... because he is real. He didn't need this... Cheney sure as hell didn't need this... they are amazing people that I have grown to deeply love and respect. And this is coming from a guy who thinks that Mary Jane should be legal (come on guys, be kind)...

Sometimes I think perfectly intelligent people don't care about the truth or the facts... because its more trendy, or fun even... to go against what is right. No pun intended.

[Guest freedomfighter]

In my experience' date=' the “sheeple†are on the side of the patriot act because they simply don’t take the time to research things.

 

What category do you fall in?[/quote']

 

There are far to many wonderfully brilliant posts on this very thread refuting this very statement. Frankly, I'm shocked... ... to be reading that this is STILL your possition. Personally, I choose to fall into the catagory of the silent majority who know that WE are in charge of the Patriot Act... and as a Patriot, I choose to believe in the greater good of those we elect into office, giving them the responsibility of getting it done on our behalf.

 

1. Maybe I am using too many big words for you. Was it not fair my turning your own argument back at you? Pertinent or not? I am having a real problem with people using the word “sheeple†to seemingly discredit other people’s arguments when they are incapable of providing anything other than generalities to support their own arguments. My guess is the majority of the "sheeple" remain blissfully ignorant of anything to do with the patriot act.

 

2. One other thing. You might try taking a course on the constitution to better understand where the government, our government, derives it’s power. It really doesn’t matter to me what your beliefs are. If the elected representatives pass a law that is conflicts with the constitution, then they have violated the very contract which grants them their power. Probably 95% of the Patriot Act is benign, common sense procedural items that probably needed to be done anyway (check out the web site the DOJ created site to promote this very agenda: http://www.lifeandliberty.gov). But the other 5% does violate the spirit, if not the letter of the constitution. And I believe history will prove me right when the courts strike down those portions of the act.

 

 

NO' date=' I'm not saying anything. History proves that record clearly. Its not opinion, it is the record. Luck had nothing to do with it. Policy did. Tax Policy. The MORE the government "allows" us and business to keep of our own production... the better the economy will due. It's plain and simple

.[/quote']

.

3. Again, a massive oversimplification hardly worth responding to other than to say nothing concerning the economy is so black and white. “provesâ€, “clearlyâ€, “not an opinionâ€. All unsubstantiated verbiage.

 

4. And please, stop quoting Hollywood movies to support your arguments.

 

Wow... Don't know how I missed this one... but feel that I must respond.

1. LOOK, BONER, my IQ would make your freakin head spin... the facts have been overly reported by now and I have no reason to state anything more then a summary of said conclusions... TAX CUTS ALWAYS INCREASE THE GOV'S INTAKE BY STIMULATING THE ECONOMY... INCREASING THE PEOPLE'S SPENDING. There's just something about the people keeping more of their BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS... rather then allowing liberal pigs, like yourself, to STEAL IT!!!

2. What a superbly stupid attempt at insulting someone's understanding of such a supremely simple document.

3. Actually, as a business owner in the top 1% of income earners nationwide... net worth in the seven figures... there is nothing more simple then the "black and white" of the "books"... PERIOD... that statement alone outlines the massive depth of your own personal ignorance, related to these very issues.

4. As for the cute little reference to "Dave" the movie... just that, cute. I never "quoted" the movie. I simply stated that if an entrepreneur got in there and unfolded the budget... cutting out the pork... we could balance the budget, year after year... it's a fact. BUT, people and special interest groups would get cut and there would be liberal stories about the injustice... there simply is no winning in that arena!

[Pop N Wood]

Shall we measure up wienies now?

 

Liberal pig. I'll have to share that one with a few friends.

[johnc]

Well, this thread made it to 11 pages. Hopefully I won't have to lock it now that we've gone this far.

[Mikelly]

THERE IS NO NAME CALLING ON THIS WEBSITE. Freedomfighter I suggest you go back and CLEAN UP your post...

 

We've come a long way on this particular topic, remaining civil and keeping the discussion lively... if you cannot play within those confines, then don't play, simple as that...

 

Mike Kelly

ADMINISTRATOR

[Kevin Shasteen]

 

1) Let me say simply this. There is a better way to bring views to the table other then allowing ones self to automatically be stereotyped in a rather radical light..' date='[/quote']

 

2) Mikelly is absolutely right... buzz words... before you automatically tag a public figure for being a part of the theory, remember societies heavy use of buzz words. Just because Bush uses the the phrase NWO, does not mean he is the anti-Christ, trying to usher in the NWO

 

3) It is a fact that there will eventually be a NWO. This is an unavoidable reality that no one on earth will be able to stop. I think it is very healthy to follow current events in order to see thia unfold, but it is pointless and futile to try and do anything to stop it. Of course we must always stand for what is right, I for one am against it, and will always act accordingly. My only point here, is that life is WAY to short to worry about these things. We have other more important things to do while we are here. Things we DO have control over, things that will make a difference. We can and must focus on all that is possitive and do the very best to live our lives centered on these things.

 

4) Sometimes I think perfectly intelligent people don't care about the truth or the facts... because its more trendy, or fun even... to go against what is right. No pun intended.

 

Freedomfighter,

 

1) This is a great point, "Who is doing the stereotyping, why are they stereotyping, and what happens when party A stereotypes party B and who created the stereotyping? IMHO the point of stereotyping has been created by those, in the media or any forum for the sole purpose of belittleing the other party's opinion. I can not help what others think and I, do care what they think, the bottom line is I dont care how they think what they think - even if/when it is directed at me....truth doesnt need your stereotyping nor my stereotyping, it just needs to be heard.

 

2) "Before I Tag G.Bush"? I did not tag G.Bush as anything, I merely recounted his own words and your fear "perception/stereotyping" assumed I was tagging him as apart of a theory. G.Bush Jr, while being interviewed by a reporter during his 1st campaign for presidency, was being questioned about his "Christianity" -vs- his fathers obvious globalist actions; to which George W immediately turned to the camera and seriously stated, "MAKE NO MISTAKE, I AM A GLOBALISTS". Those were George W's words not mine!

 

As far as the phrase, "Does not make him the anti-christ" is an attempt at stereotyping me...it is a knee jerk reaction by you simply because I stated something that does not sit well with you. I am sorry if George W's, in his words, "I am a Globalists" offends you. Perhaps you should take up your stereotyping him as a globalists and quit stereotyping me for recounting his own words.

 

George W is a unique individual. I believe anyone with an open mind can see this, however - the fact that he is a globalists makes him a tool to those who want a NWO. Kerry is even more of a puppet to those who want a NWO. Globalism is anti-nationalism.

 

3) Again your knee jerk reaction that I am worrying about anything is based merely on the fact that I have mentioned such issues. FWIW, I do not worry about anything - worrying is for those that fear what they do not understand. Given, I do not understand everything - I do not fear it. Jesus in the bible told us, "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will take care of itself." This is the basis that dictates by temperment.

 

Your point about the NWO being unstoppable is exactly my point I have been making! Regardless of "our", as ab American, point of views and regardless of how we vote - Globalism is here and will result in a NWO. My posts were made simply to home in this exact issue which a few have rejected. I'm glad to see that you understand this issue.

 

The purpose of my point is to be aware of current events and the players that bring about or will have an affect on those events...such as globalism -vs- nationalsim. Once nationalism is gone - so to will our sovereignty.

 

4) People do care about issues. IMHO they get tired of being stereotyped everytime they bring up an issue that someone else disagrees with.

 

Dont stereotype, dont label or demonize people simply because they have an opinion. Instead - discuss the facts, even if these facts are outside your comfort zone.

 

Those that dont believe globalism is real and equates to a NWO needs to go to the UN site and read their own documentation.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[Kevin Shasteen]

Johnc, I am glad you did not lock the thread - the issues discussed were very real and important. Even if we dont agree on specifics I think we all agree the said issues are important and that is what makes us different from the rest of the world.

 

We do have the right to disagree...and hopefully w/out being stereotyped.

 

Kevin,

(Yea,Still an Inliner)

[tannji]

Kevin, lets make this easier on everyone.

 

1. Please define "New World Order"

 

2. Please define Globalism.

 

From what you have said, and the people and sources you have cited it support of what you have said, you do not seem to have a good grasp on either concept.

I will post again shortly with my comments on the New World Order and Globalism..... after you put something concrete down as to what you percieve both to be.... instead of vague insinuations and imprecise use of wildly vagarious quotes.