Brad-ManQ45 Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I have a Ruger Redhawk .44 Mag that I used to go javalina (pig) hunting with in Texas. I also have a Witness 10mm that I wouldn't hesitate to use - but not at 100 yards - the barrel is just a bit short. Handloads for either scenario. Funny thing about the 10mm Witness, even with hot loads, I can shoot it better than my .45 Witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I had a Ruger Redhawk .44 a long time ago. I wish I'd never sold it. Nice shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I used to carry,a 45 cal witness as my personal carry gun for several years, dead on accurate) I now carry a custom glock 10 mm with a 6" jarvis barrel BTW I generally prefer my DAN WESSON SUPER MAG, if shots will be long range (below a picture of the 8" version,mine have 10" barrels) think about this, a 445 super mag can fire 44 mag ammo in addition to the full power 445 super mag ammo, similar to the 45 colt being available as a low power option in the 454 cassul. the cost for both bullets and brass is lower anf the performance on game is impossiable to tell apart, as you can push a 320 grain cast slug to 1590fps at LESS PRESSURE than a similar 454 cassul brass lasts longer and its cheaper, trajectorys flatter and recoil levels lower, not by much, but the differance exists, theres no reason to get a more powerful caliber in my opinion once you can relieably drive a bullet thru any game animal your likely to hunt and nearly any reasonable angle or range, which the 445 super mag will do! http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt445sm.htm http://www.starlinebrass.com/pricelist.html http://www.sixguns.com/range/beyondthe44.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ok so I thought my roomate was getting a S&W but he actually got a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 MAG. Mine is the Taurus Raging Bull .454. (Ruger on the left and Taurus on the right) ^^^These are the "hunting bullets" that I am going to use. Man these suckers kick like a mule! ^^^These are the .45 Colt bullets that I will use to practice for now. They don't really have any kick. Are these enough to kill a deer? I don't know what kind of speeds they are shooting at? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE RAGING BULL!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 the 45 colt factory loads on the light side but will work out to about 30 yards, the 454 casulls far more than required, get someone to load for you or you can reload the fired cases,a hard cast gas check bullet weighing about 250-300 grains to about 1250-1300fps, is the goal, and your recoil will be reduced noticably , yet the effectiveness will be fine http://www.shooting-center.de/casull_lade_e.htm Id be looking at 16 grains of BLUE DOT under any well designed 250-300 grain hard cast as a starting place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 I was just on Winchesters site.... 454 Casull 260 gr. Supreme® Partition Gold® Handgun Ballistics Distance (yds)------Velocity (fps)Energy (ft.lbs.)Mid-Range Trajectory (in.) Muzzle -------------1800--------1871-------------------------- 50------------------1605--------1488------------------0.4 100-----------------1427--------1176------------------1.7 45 Colt 250 gr. Cowboy Loads Lead Handgun Ballistics Distance (yds)Velocity (fps)Energy (ft.lbs.)Mid-Range Trajectory (in.) Muzzle--------750----------312------------------------------ 50-------------720----------288------------------2----------- 100------------692----------266------------------8.4-------- Geeeee I don't know why those Supreme's kicked so hard! Would these be a good choice.... 454 Casull 250 gr. Super-X® JHP Handgun Ballistics Distance (yds)Velocity (fps)Energy (ft.lbs.)Mid-Range Trajectory (in.) Muzzle-------1300---------938------------------------------- 50------------1151--------735---------------------0.7-------- 100-----------1047---------608---------------------3.2------- When you are talking speed are you talking at the muzzle or further out. I know when I loaded shotgun shells I measured about 6' out from the muzzle. Samething for handguns? Also what is midrange trajectory? How far its drops? Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusPuppis Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 I read this post and now have a headache.. lol. So, not to thread hijack.. but I have a J. Stevens Arms Company single shot .410. I figure its 80-90 years old or so. Wont fire.. firing pin seems borked. It leaves a tiny little dent on the shells, but my guess is its not enough to actually fire them. Anyone in Ky wanna fix it for me? lol. or buy it. yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silicone boy Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Jesus is there anything this board doesn't know about guns! I think you guys know more about loading bullets than building engines! LOL I loaded my own shotgun shells when I was tournment shooting so I know the basics on reloading. I had to reload because I was going through 1000 shells a week easy! My GF's dad is big into loading shells and bullets so he should be able to help me get what I need to load. I will have to talk to my roomate about buying a press together so we can load our our bullets. That should keep the inital cost down! Thanks for all the links Grumpy! Guy I guess we all like things that go boom (well, not my engines). I was thinking of taking some time to flyfish in Alaska, and unlike here, where we only have black bears that are afraid of people, grizzlies are a real worry. You can't just say "boo" and get rid of them. I know a lot of fishing guides carry the .454 Casul, and I was thinking of getting a revolver. I like the ability to use the .45 acp for practice. I usually practice with a Glock 22 (.40 SW). It's probably wishful thinking that I could protect myself with any gun, since if a grizz wanted to eat me, I would probably pee in my pants and have no chance of hitting the thing. I don't like the idea of pistol hunting, but if that's all you are allowed, practice, practice, practice (I average about 500 rounds a week, mostly rimfire rifle). I prefer hunting with large caliber rifles that deliver a lot of energy so the animals won't suffer. I wish more places would allow rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 SB... POP mentioned a S&W 500 Mag. I'd love to have one of those. For protection from grizzlies... Muzzle Energy: 2400 Ft. Lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 When you are talking speed are you talking at the muzzle or further out. I know when I loaded shotgun shells I measured about 6' out from the muzzle. Samething for handguns? Also what is midrange trajectory? How far its drops? The cowboy loads are the lightest 45 colt loads you can buy, use them for practice only. I would use the Super X 250 grn load for hunting deer, it's all you need and will let you learn the gun without getting beat up and develping a flinch. Muzzle velocity is measured a few feet in front of the muzzle. Some manufacturers interpolate back to the muzzle for advertising purposes. You need to check and see how Winchester defines it, but usually midrange trajectory is the amount the bullet rises above line of sight if the weapon is sighted in at the range listed. It varies a little depending on the gun, so check it for yourself. Both are nice pieces. Learn to shoot it well, get plenty of practice, and have a good time. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop N Wood Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Yeah, Smith makes a back country version of the 500 mag just for bear defense. But in all honesty as long as you don't try fighting the bear for the fish you catch it is easier to avoid bears than to fight them. If things get out of hand, they make bear pepper spray that will stop an animal in his tracks. Works on the banjo toting, back country 2 legged predators too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dammit POP!!! Quit posting porno. I'm having a barrel-length problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 "454 Casull 250 gr. Super-X® JHP Handgun Ballistics Distance (yds)Velocity (fps)Energy (ft.lbs.)Mid-Range Trajectory (in.) Muzzle-------1300---------938------------------------------- 50------------1151--------735---------------------0.7-------- 100-----------1047---------608---------------------3.2------- When you are talking speed are you talking at the muzzle or further out. I know when I loaded shotgun shells I measured about 6' out from the muzzle. Samething for handguns? Also what is midrange trajectory? How far its drops?" personally ID sellect the heavier bullet weight of 275-300 grains at 1250-1300fps, the IDEA is to blend the deep penetration with the lowest potential recoil, while useing the large flat nose and weight to punch a hole clear thru once the bullet can reach and destroy the vitals from almost any angle, theres no real advantage to more speed, I generally sight in at 50 yards at 3" high, once you can keep 2"-3" groups at 50 yards swap to 100 yards, you should keep 5"-6" MAX groups http://www.shooting-center.de/casull_lade_e.htm 300 gr bullet H4227 27.0 1494 41.400 30.0 1634 53.700 H110 28.5 1589 44.400 31.5 1780 55.000 HS 7 16.0 1111 33.400 22.0 1501 50.200 HS 6 15.0 1084 31.100 19.0 1450 46.200 HP 38 8.5 820 32.000 11.5 1076 43.200 W296 28.0 1537 41.000 31.0 1750 54.800 W571 16.0 1107 33.000 22.0 1494 50.700 W540 15.0 1100 32.600 19.0 1440 46.000 W231 8.5 824 31.800 11.5 1062 42.400 2400 24.0 1461 42.000 27.0 1656 55.000 Blue Dot 16.0 1240 39.100 19.0 1534 54.000 Unique 10.0 1049 30.600 14.0 1275 38.600 Bullseye 6.5 804 20.100 9.5 1026 33.400 AA No. 9 20.0 1177 17.100 27.5 1625 51.900 AA 1680 31.1 1346 27.300 34.5 1622 54.500 N110 24.0 1505 34.500 26.6 1634 49.380 N120 27.0 1290 29.300 31.0 1491 43.760 H110 31.5 1625 = factory load http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0004482083 Muzzle yards- trajectory 25........ 1.9 50........ 2.9 75........ 2.3 100 .......0.0 125 .......-4.1 all easily hit with a center chest hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_hunt Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Reloading is a great way to relax, save some $$$, (well maybe if you shoot alot), and learn something new. However, with that said it can and is inherently dangerous. The main thing you want to do as a beginner is choose a powder that almost fills the case so you don't double charge the case with powder. I've seen double charged loads made on a dillon!!! A dillon isn't for precision reloading, just mass production IMO. Yes I have one too, but I don't load my accuracy loads with it simply because it won't do the job. I started loading back in the early 70's with my dad loading shotgun with paper hulls and wads. If it can be screwed up, I've probably done it and there is alot you can screw up. Things like crimp, case length, light powder charges, too much case lube, etc, etc. can ruin your day or even cause severe injury. Load with someone that already does it and you trust first is my suggestion if you happen to decide to do that. Oh, and keep a log book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ten Reasons Men Prefer Guns Over Women 10. You can trade an old 44 for a new 22. 9. You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you're on the road. 8. If you admire a friend's gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times. 7. Your primary gun doesn't mind if you keep another gun for a backup. 6. Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo. 5. A gun doesn't take up a lot of closet space. 4. Guns function normally every day of the month. 3. A gun doesn't ask, "Do these new grips make me look fat?" 2. A gun doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you’re done with it. And the number one reason a gun is favored over a woman.... 1. YOU CAN BUY A SILENCER FOR A GUN!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_hunt Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 That's funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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