HS30-H Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hello Ernie, Thank you for your kind words. I'm relieved that you took my post in the 'right' way, and I do hope that I did not offend - as I meant no personal disrespect to you at all. I find it really sad that it seems so difficult to refute all the bad information now out there on the 'net. Misleading information and bad research used to be a little easier to weed out before it went into old-fashioned paper print, but the 'net effectively gives a green-lighted shortcut to the bad as well as the good and discerning one from the other is pretty hard sometimes unless you already know what you are talking about. If there is any way to contact those responsible for the bad information you cut and pasted, I'd like to give it a shot. Maybe it can be put right? Goertz passed away recently, and a fresh wave of bad information washed up on the beach. The man was a talented 'stylist' and certainly put himself in the right place at the right time occasionally, but he let his ( sizeable ) ego get in the way of the truth too often. He fostered misconceptions and assumptions, and the guys who did the real work on these cars never got the credit they deserved. I've been lucky enough to meet both Yoshihiko Matsuo ( chief designer of the S30-series Z ) and Shihomi Hosoya ( part of the Toyota 2000GT design team and one of Japan's foremost race drivers of the 1960s ) and both of them are disarmingly modest and retiring, insisting that they were team players - the complete opposite of Goertz in fact. It is fascinating to listen to them talk of why they did certain things in the designs of these cars, and what they would have liked to have done given free reign. It is a pity that their voices are only usually heard in Japan......... Anyway - back to your thread Ernie. Keep the good stuff coming. I'm especially loving the tubbed B110 and your red AutoX B110. Beautiful! Best wishes, Alan T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Ernie, wouldn't it be "Electramotive"? That is the name I have seen on their cars. As in this one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I always love da Ferrari GTO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I have seen a bunch of people talk about the Electromotive race cars and it drives me crazy when they say that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Cheers again Ernie, I'll see if I can get to the bottom of that site. I always love da Ferrari GTO! So do I, but your photos are all 365 GTB/4 Daytona Competiziones......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Cheers again Ernie,I'll see if I can get to the bottom of that site. So do I, but your photos are all 365 GTB/4 Daytona Competiziones......... eek... sorry. They were running in the GTO class...I missed the model and just thought GTO was the model. Sorry guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 mmm... Porsche 917k The tube chassis weighs 109 pounds!!! a couple of them in restoration... vintage racing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I love the Gulietta 750 spider Alfa very similar but a little more closed up on the front. It is like a mini Ford Cobra... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Chevron B6, Bimmer powered and a chevron B8 Left, Chevron B6 on right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo280zEd Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Very nice race car! Is that the OEM engine in that Alfa? it looks alot like a nissan motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 It does say Alfa Romeo on the valve cover... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 My favorite race car of all time. The 1960 Maserati "birdcage" tipo 60. I like the ultra lightweight frame design using smaller tubing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Imagine welding the tubes on the birdcage!!! I wonder how they welded on tubing that thin back then. TIG was still pretty new and OFW (oxyfuel welding) seems too rough for thinwall tubing. It could have been brazed I guess. here is a pic of a birdcage seat framing: Another fav. The Jaguar XJ-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Remember the thread someone started a few weeks ago about what the next Z body kit should be? The Jag XJ-13 is a perfect candidate. I had cpmpletely forgotten about it until I saw it in this thread. Gorgeous car!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 yeah...I started that thread A XJ-13 front end would be cool on a Z...Hedlight covers would not be any easier to get though than for a Gnose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Nah... the whole body!! I'll make my own headlight covers if need be. It can't be THAT difficult;-) Once this Alpha 1 is in shape, I may decide to take on another project. One like this would be the the necessary arm-twisting. I also love the Lola T-70!!! yeah...I started that thread A XJ-13 front end would be cool on a Z...Hedlight covers would not be any easier to get though than for a Gnose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Very nice race car!1972 Alfa Romeo GTV Race Car YES! one of my all time favorites, I will own a road version of that car someday! Imagine welding the tubes on the birdcage!!! I wonder how they welded on tubing that thin back then. TIG was still pretty new and OFW (oxyfuel welding) seems too rough for thinwall tubing. It could have been brazed I guess. You are correct!, The majority of the vintage frames are brazed. This makes it easier to repair in case of an accident, that way you don't have to grind or cut the old tubes out, just heat them up and melt them out. of course there are exceptions to this, I seem to remember a few vintage P cars that had full aluminium tube frames TIG'd together. Check out this link to go to a small photo album of Vintage race cars from Texas world speedway. this is a CVAR club race: http://onclickpix.com/?p=va&ai=16 one of my favs, BMW 2002s this is a real Alpina car, check out the flares! anywho, plenty more in there, Not really Vintage photos, but whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank280zx Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 the ultimate beast! the sound it makes is sex on wheels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie05 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Olderthanme, I'm beginning to wonder if you got permission from all those websites to link their pictures in all your posts If you host your pictures through hybridz then you can count on them being in this post a year or two down the road. that being said, here is my contribution to this thread: my car, circa 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerX Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share Posted November 25, 2006 I'm having techincal difficulty trying to upload pictures at this moment. So, I've provided a link to some pictures BUT!! most importantly, please click on the "See Engine Start". What a fantastic sounding V12! Enjoy the symphony! http://www.docsjags.com/sales/competition_jags/700-1054/700-1054.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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