datman Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Ah I see, ok so how does 8 sq inches flow the same as a 1 1/2 " pipe? I will email the seller and explain all this to him, I just want to know what I'm talking about first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrommitZ Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Actually worse than the pipe because there's a lot more frictional wall surface area. You can certainly say they falsely advertised the flow rating. Their type 4 intercooler use the same core with no divider and still has the advertised flow rating of 650 bhp. Even if that were true for the the type 4 intercooler, putting on the divided tank will cut the flow and bhp by more than half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 well I did pay through paypal and if the item is not as described I can ask for a refund, I'm a little annoyed about this as this guys has a company selling these things I assumed he knew what he was talking about. Anyway thanks for your help, I'll let you know if I get my money back. Short tubes and lots of them is the name of the game then! hopefully this thread will help others in my position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 http://www.thsparts.co.uk/ here is the webpage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrommitZ Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Whoops! Cut out the 1 and 1/2 pipe comparison when you contact them. That would be the radius, not diameter. In any case, 8 square inches is still extremely small and the 125 bhp limit still holds true as well as the fact that they didn't account for the effect of the divided tank. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 The chart that bell is on about is for face area not core area so 18" is face area = 240 bhp ish...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrommitZ Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 The charge face is not used in the chart since it is just a two dimensional calculation. The chart I refer to has Flow rate in terms of cfm and bhp in the vertical column and Internal Flow Area, not charge face, in the horizontal column. 125 bhp is at the top of the range for low density turbulators. 8 square inches is also optimistic since the percentage of internal flow area looks to be a bit less than 45% (.45) when you look inside the intake port of the intercooler on their website. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnusx1 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dont feel bad, we've all made mistakes. At least we caught it early-on which will save you alot of headaches later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Right Ok, it's pretty poor that they advertise it as 650bhp. I have found one similar to the one on the red Z shown in this thread. Is this good? http://www.xs-power.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=46&products_id=268 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrommitZ Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I like the size and dimensions for the requirements you've described, but I won't endorse that product having not tried it myself. Many eBay vendors have vague descriptions that leave out critical information like the one you just bought from. SSAutochrome, XS Power and others have gotten a lot of negative feedback for their turbos, headers and other products. I see that intercooler for $130 on eBay. It certainly looks tempting, but I would get other owner's experiences first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big-phil Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Ok I looked inside and the cores are split, there is a divide half way between the inlet and the outlet so the air will have to pass all the way through and back. Here are the specs The THS Type 14 Intercooler is a large sized intercooler that has the inlet and outlet situated at the same end. This makes it easier to fit to cars that may have a standard side mount intercooler. It has a core size of 600x300x76mm. Specifications Volume 13680cm2 Core size = 600 x 300 x 76 mm Inlet/Outlet diameter = 76mm (approx 3") Core construction = Plate and Bar Length between Inlet/Outlet and opposite tank = 790mm Distance between inlet outlet pipes = 74mm Tested to 5 Bar Cast aluminium end tanks Suitable for applications up to 650bhp Thats good to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Here is the reply from the seller, I am impressed, for once an honest ebay seller. Hi I have spoken to our supplier and they tell me the CFM on these intercoolers is 450cfm. Therefore you are correct our listing is incorrect and we will change it to suit. If you do not want the intercooler we will arrange for it to be collected and refund you fully by PayPal, Please let us know the collection address and a time morning/afternoon that collection is available. We apologise for the inconvenience Regards Ollie THS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rztmartini Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 boy am I sad to read this thread...not because of any bad things done, but because I bought not one but 2 ($200 each) of these types from a chinese guy out of a shipping container... really wish someone had brought this up sooner (or maybe I should have searched more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datman Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 so I found another intercooler with same side in and out. the dimensions are 13" wide 7" high and 7" deep. vertical core. this gives a massive charge face area.....is this too big? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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