Lewis Maudlin Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I understand the problem.... You want cheap and economical and you live in CALIFORNIA. The amount of legislation in CA makes nothing cheap and economical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Yeah I heard that, but its worth a shot? Anyone know about those E300 Benz? Are they any good? What other choices do I have in the diesel engines? Is the TDI motor out of a VW Golf any good? I read those cars make like 100hp, but 180 or so in tq. The stock hp and tq aren't that bad, but since it has a turbo, an upgrade to them shouldn't be that hard. This would be the perfect motor for me as power can me had and mpg is at around 40, but alas it a fwd motor. Anyone know if you can hook it up a rwd transmission? Hmm the F20C also sounds good, what was the MPG of that car and is it easy or cheap for find? Is the F22C any better? I understand the rev-line went down from 9k to 8k, but does that equate to better performance and mpg? Or isthe higher reving 2l motor better? Also what about the transmission, was there any improvement or changes made when they went with the 2.2l? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Since you are looking to get a smog exempt vehicle, you could do a SR20DET swap. Get it really well tunded and you could get some pretty good mileage and power out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 The F20C and F22C both get sub 30mpg in the S2000 on highway. New ones are rated at 20/26. Now, in a lighter car that would go up, but I think you'd still be hard pressed to see 35mpg out of it ever. There were some changes to the transmission, but I can't remember exactly what and when, but it was a reliability change, something that should be doable to fix on your own I'd imagine if you went with an earlier motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Hey 28mpg if fine with me as long as I get some good performance out of it. What about the TDI motor out of the VW any ideas if that can hook up to a rwd tranny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 A properly tuned L24/28 with a 5 speed and 3.9 gears can get 24 city/29 highway. Some people have gotten better than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 Can the F20C bolt up to the F22C tranny? Which is cheaper/easier to purchase? I was reading up on the VQ25HR and that one seems almost perfect seeing how the car makes like 225hp about 190 ft-tq while seeing something about 37mpg in mixed driving and that in the new Skyline V36(G35). Only issue is the fact that Nissan never released that motor in North America for the G35 and I don't know if it meets California emission(I would assume yes since the VQ30, VQ35, and VQ40 are street legal). Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Actually the VQ35HR DOES come in the USA. I think it is in the G35, but I know for sure it's in the 07 350Z. I'd imagine the F22C and F20C are identical when it comes to tranny compatibility. The two motors are only mildly different because honda wanted more torque out of the motor, so they increased the displacement slightly. The blocks are identical to my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 13, 2007 Author Share Posted August 13, 2007 Oh know I know the VQ35HR comes in the USA in the G35 sedan and 350Z(soon to be 370Z form what I read). I was referring to the VQ25HR that is the base engine Japanese Skyline V36(G35). I wish the VQ35HR was able to achieve MPG close to that. Last I heard it got something like 25mpg(highway) in the G35 and I would assume more in the 350Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Will the high rpm range(9k redline) of the F20C be an issue when trying to speed and have fun in the curves? Or is the F22C better as it has 8k redline? Would the tq be an issue since it is low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.INSANE Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Will the high rpm range(9k redline) of the F20C be an issue when trying to speed and have fun in the curves? Or is the F22C better as it has 8k redline? Would the tq be an issue since it is low? The extra torque is minimal between the F20C and F22C, If you go F22C expect to pay more as well because there newer motors The F Series transmission's are pretty low geared. I don't think you'd have a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 A 240Z is smog exempt, why not just use a KA24 turbo or SR20DET? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 The peak torque isn't much better, but it's got a much broader torque band giving you more usable power. Imho, if you're gonna be on mountain roads just having fun then you want as large of a torque range as you can get. Sure high RPMs are fun and all, but having a huge torque range means less shifting and more enjoyment of the drive. Turbo 4 cylinders have loads of torque, just gonna stay out of the low RPM in wich you encounter lag. Shouldn't be a problem unless your gearing is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 A 240Z is smog exempt, why not just use a KA24 turbo or SR20DET? See I would love to do SR20det swap, but the SR20DET is not legal in California, and only the FWD SR20 is legal. I think the same goes with the ca18det or so the 240SX guys are telling me. He's in CA and trying to stay legit, that's really really hard honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Isn't anything legit with a pre-'76? Muscle car guys run straight pipes on completely smog absent motors and get no hassle for it. Why not run an SR20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 If you really want to know about it, go read the smog related threads, there's truckloads of information. But the short answer is that NO car is SMOG exempt, just TEST exempt. Pre test cars still need to be 100% legal, there's just no testing to make sure of it. CA smog isn't as much about test numbers as it is inspection. Most of their work revolves around looking for all of the smog equipment on the ENGINE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT CAR. And the side pipes thing... It's not legal if they're over a certain dB limit, regardless of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 So you still have to take your smog exempt in to get inspected? I've never heard of anyone up here having to do that . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I never said that. What I'm saying is that just because it doesn't have to be inspected doesn't mean you can legally change things. If you ever get pulled over and you have a cop that knows what he's looking for (which is VERY common here in the bay area) you get a fix it ticket that's really hard to get around, unless you can swap your motor back in a matter of days, and the cop also has the right to take your vehicle away without question, send it to the impound with no hope of you getting it back before they crush it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Ah, now it makes sense. Cops aren't that serious up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemac Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 So what are some good mods or parts for the F20C? Is there a SC kit for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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