80LS1T Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Well I finaly got to drive my car around. I polished it all up and took it from my parents house and made my way back to my house 30 miles away without any issues. Runs good but still needs fine tuning of the the WOT A/F and more than likely needs more timing(I got a tune from PCMforless just to get me on the road for now but I will be tuning it now). I drove around town for a while and then met up with my buddy who has a 370FWHP SRT-4 Neon. Now of coarse we had to race...but it of course had to be on the highway from a roll...so we did a 3rd gear pull a couple of times. First I pull a car on him and then he slowly pulls back even with me and pulls past me. It's really pretty close but I think he's got just a little more power than me(which I kind of expected). Then we did a 2nd gear roll(not on the highway) and I pulled on him hard and he gave up. I told him lets go from a stop but he didn't want to because he knows I have a huge advantage with the RWD. It was all good though for a first beat down run. I think once it's tuned it will be really close between us. If not I know I can atleast get a bigger cam! I'm not getting owned by a Neon! LOL:mrgreen: Other than the races I just cruised around and made sure everything was working properly. Temp was steady at 200-210*, volts was steady at 13ish, and oil pressure was steady at 30psi most of the time. The Bi-xenon's worked great tonight too but I have to aim the drivers side up a little. All and all a great afternoon/night! I think its going to rain tommorow so I wont be able to drive it then(still don't have my t-tops back from the painters but he said he should have them done this weekend(painting the black part on them)). Guy:mrgreen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Seejay Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Sounds like fun. I love your car, I'm using it as a model for the things I'm doing with my zx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 nice...looks like you hade fun in the zx. im hoping to have some fun in my z too and hopefully it runs as good as some of you lt1 guys out there. i have too much doubts but ill see what happens when tuner cat comes in sometime this week. with the top end, eventually the turbo is going to boost slowly past you and have a higher mph advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted August 5, 2007 Author Share Posted August 5, 2007 with the top end, eventually the turbo is going to boost slowly past you and have a higher mph advantage. Yeah but I still don't like getting beat by a Neon even if it is a highly modified turbo Neon. I'm going to fine tune the car and then run him again, if I still get beat even on the top end I'm going be looking at a decent cam and springs to match. Don't get me wrong my car is quick but I want it to be feared! LOL This Neon and my service writers old 350ZT(sold it) are probably the fastest street driven cars in the area(there are a few other cars that are way faster but they aren't what I would consider a street car...one of these cars runs on turbo blue only-not a street car if you ask me. Plus they Neon owner is kind of full of himself when it comes to this car and I don't want to hear about how his car is faster! This guy is a buddy of mine but he still can be full of it sometimes.(Yes I know there s always going to be someone faster! LOL) Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280zwitha383 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Just because you've got a turbo doesn't mean you can't be spanked. Good luck on your goal 80lt1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Third gear in most fwd is like the best gear for acceleation. So i think you will take him in any other gear especially forth since that dose not require any cluster bearings, it is really not even a gear for rwd! Great job on the build beautiful car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1noel Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Guy, Ain't it fun just to be out driving the thing? The way it sounds, by the time you get it tuned up, the neon owner will be able to provide a very good description of your tail lights and exhaust outlets. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Just because you've got a turbo doesn't mean you can't be spanked.Good luck on your goal 80lt1. eventually srt4 makes wonders on top end. fwd with high boost equals fast top end acceleration...the lt1 better have nice mods to pull fast mph top end speeds. besides that, its sick from the roll to 120mph in seconds...turbo cars pulls faster top ends then n//a IMO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280zwitha383 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think maybe you think that because turbo cars (4 cylinders more so than the rest) are slower on the bottom end (that thought is further entertained by the fact that you throw in FWD cars with high boost have better top end)... Horsepower is horsepower no matter how you get it. Again, just because you've got a turbo doesn't mean it will out pull anything. Turbos make engines wonderfully efficient I agree but not unbeatable by any means. He's already hanging with him as it is, with tuning and maybe a different cam he should be able to beat him. A lot depends on the gearing of both cars and many other factors also of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 wow..dude, i know guy can smoke this guy already, im just saying with guys mods, the srt will probably cruise pass him. sounds like you think im trying to put him down??? i didnt say turbo cars are unbeatable, thats a negative thing to say. this is on his and his buddies car only. i didnt say that turbo cars are unbeatable..., im just saying that a car equip with force induction will produce a high mph compare to n/a, not beacause they are slower on the low end, thats a weak excuse. more % of top end cars are force induction. hp is hp, but lets say 300hp on a turbo against 300 n/a. you know for sure the turbo is not going to outrun the n/a off the drag. turbo hp does not react like n/a hp. n/a hp reacts right off the bat, turbo reacts on the higher end. but just because we all here have v8s also does not mean we can outrun any turbo cars!!! i have an lt1 in my z, i can tell you now that on the 1/4 mile, this thing is fast, but on the highway, im not sure about top ends...an srt4 has potential of some pretty high mph, i better have alot of mods to make my lt1 run past 145mph n/a. remember, im only talking about the lt1 and the srt neon. i love my v8, but im just saying that the srt's do have alot of potential when you compare it to a basic moded lt1, its not slow because its a neon!!!. someone correct me if im wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Oh don't get me wrong his car is very fast. I just want the race to be even or in my favor most of the time. I know in the 1/4 mile he would be playing catch up from the word go and so does he. I think I have some power still to be made from what I have now and then we'll see. My car has great low end power but top end deffinently needs some work! I took a couple people for a ride today at work, they all loved it! My used car manager didn't believe me when I said there was a SBC under the hood, LOL! So of course I poped the hood and he was just baffled! LOL Nobody can believe that my car is a 1980 either because it looks so much more modern with the new wheels, paint, body kit, and bi-xenon headlights. Made me feel pretty good! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280zwitha383 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 hp is hp, but lets say 300hp on a turbo against 300 n/a. you know for sure the turbo is not going to outrun the n/a off the drag. turbo hp does not react like n/a hp. n/a hp reacts right off the bat, turbo reacts on the higher end. Don't get me wrong. I mean no offense and I have taken no offense. But let's looks at your example. 300hp turbo vs. 300hp n/a (not linked to any known cars at the moment just theoretical). Really it could go either way and by a lot. All other things being equal, you could have a peaky sub-2 liter motor that is turbo'd but can't hold its weight down low for anything and you could run this against a n/a big block XXX. They both make the same amount of hp but the bb will rape the smaller, peakier engine. Now on the other hand say you have the same smaller engine but it's been set up with a proper sized turbo and makes good power all around and put that against a huge-cammed 4 banger that has to crank up the rpms to start making power. Of course the turbo'd engine will win and could possibly hold its own against the bb. My point is you can't just say because everything else is equal and one has a turbo that the turbo engine will "gain on the top end" or have a better mph. It all depends on the setup and a lower hp motor can easily beat a higher hp motor for a slew of different reasons. I'm sure you agree with me but it's not evident in what you are saying. And I do see that you seem to be talking about these specific cars but the point still remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 the point is that with turbo/supercharger force inducion period,will make faster top end speed and having the potential due to boost. ofcorse the big block will rape the 2.0 turbo but how much hp can it really push out on the top end on the highway? you can smoke anyone on the 1/4 mile but that doesnt mean you can beat em on the highway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280zwitha383 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 how much hp can it really push out on the top end on the highway? Uh, it will still put out 300hp as stated and still hang until the end. If it is geared more for torque on the highway it could beat the turbo'd engine np. The WHOLE point I'm trying to make is peak numbers don't mean anything. The area under the curve in the rpm range a car will see the most time in is what really matters. If the turbocharged car is set up right it may or may not be peaky (somewhat dependent on the size of the engine) and may or may not be able to beat (at any speed) a much larger cubic inch engine that has power through the whole rpm range. You can't just say the turbo car will pull more mph period. You can't! So in Guy's case. Say they both make 370whp. Well if guy's car goes from 4500-6000 through the gears and at 4500 he's making 350whp but the neon is only making 325hp at its lower rpm range it will be seeing and assuming the time between shifts is the same, guy will win (all other things being equal). If guy made a flat 350hp through his rpm range he would still hang with him. Perhaps yet another reason you think like this is because the cars with the smaller turbo'd engines are usually lighter (and maybe newer w/ better aerodynamics) so once they 1. get traction 2. build boost and 3. have their weight and aerodynamics begin to work more so to their advantage than a heavier car that a bigger n/a engine will usually be in, it might seem they build more top end regardless of what they're up against. We will either agree or disagree but I don't want to take up any more of Guy's thread so I will (at the very least try to) not respond further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 all im saying is that from a roll, between the two, on the 1/4 like he stated, the turbo will build its power band over the n/a due to higher exhaust flow=faster boost...trust me, 300 na on the 1/4 mile against 300 turbo is a difference, 1/4 will take blink of seconds to build boost and throw down some slower times for turbo. when on the highway, itll well also be different because the turbo has the advatange due to higher and more exhaust flow meaning quicker boost response...whats not making sense???sorry guy for jacking your thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
91_4x4runner Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Your car is freakin' awesome 80LT1. You give me motivation to start/finish my project. Thanks for sharing the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Guys I could careless if your thread jacking my thread! I went cruising again tonight for a while. I got quite a few double takes! LOL I also saw a stock 280ZX on Monday at lunch. He just looked at my car with a blank stare:icon52:<---kind of like that, lol! It was priceless I tell ya! I just like the fact that not everyone and there brother drives a 280ZX much less one powered by a SBC. Not like all the honda's, mustangs, and camaro's running around! Everything is still running great and I plan on starting to fine tune it late this week and maybe a little this weekend. Less fuel + more timing= more power! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 hey guy, i might be e-mailing you to see if you can attatch me a bin file to see your adjustments on tuner cat. ill be getting tuner cat sometime this week in the mail...got the cables but not tuner cat program for some reason/.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Not a problem but you know using a tune from another car is not always safe. I have a base tune from PCMforless.com just to get me close and now I will be doing the fine tuning. I don't think TunerCat sends you a program, you should just download it and then they will send you a registration number to put into the program. You can download the program right from their site fto use for 30 days for free you know? Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilC Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Guy when is a vid coming of your car? Can't wait to see one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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