Iron Dragon Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 Just a wild thought,has anyone else played with the idea? Is it physically possible? Better yet is it monatarily possible? There are some really fast DSM cars out there.Anyone know how much they weigh? Oh what dreams we have-all wheel drive and turbo charged. I think that would pretty much clear up the traction problems we suffer. Sorry for rambling it is getting late and I can't sleep. Later guys, DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 I have one of the 1st gen Eclipse GSXs. Turbo AWD. The sales brochure says something like 3200 lbs. I believe that - it's no feather. Yeah, with a tweaked motor, the AWD Eclipse/Talon/old-Laser can get into the 9s without gutting. The engines are pretty nice, but watch that balance and timing belt. The early 5spd in these cars (before 94) was really notchy. I got mine finally switched to a 94 trans after MANY rebuilds in the Mitsu dealerships. I'd love to see that swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thurem Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 Yeah, swap in the drivetrain and hook it uup to a blown V8. Make sure you take some pics and document it so the rest of us can do it too. Actually I have been toying with a similar idea. How about the drivetrain from a Mits. Stealth hooked up to a bigblock that was centermounted in a 67 VW hippie bus. Imagine blowing away honduhboys in a flowerpainted 4WD Bigblock bus!!!! Thure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Dragon Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Could you adapt the cadillac northstar or oldsmobile front drive v8 to fit with the eclipse drive train? PETE since you own one of these cars maybe you could direct me to some good pics and or websites where I could get a better Idea of how these cars are put together. One more question, do they have IRS in the AWD models? Thanks, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JAMIE T Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Hey Pete, I'm trying to get my brother a '91 AWD Turbo Talon from a freind of mine. My brother wants do do some inexpensive mods to it right away. Can you suggest any mods that are cheap or free? Also the car has been taken care of by a certified chrysler tech(my freinds brother-in-law) I know what you mean about the notchy trans, thanks for the heads-up on the '94 type trans swap. Jamie Deathstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Guys, the problem with the AWD Talon's/Eclipses is the drivetrain is fragile at elevated power and traction levels, and expensive to rebuild/replace. I don't do much Internet stuff with the Eclipse, but the place to start looking is http:///www.dsm.org BTW, the Getrag setup in the Stealth is not without it's problems either. Jamie, the best bang for your buck is a releif type manual boost controller. $50-$60 bucks - check dsm.org for links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Ditto what pete said. most of the awd 4 cyl cars were designed to withstand alittle above stock HP. add any amount of considerable HP and i think your looking at alot of trannys and axles ;> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thurem Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 quote: Could you adapt the cadillac northstar or oldsmobile front drive v8 to fit with the eclipse drive train? Myabe this is not related, but I thought I would mention it. My friend is putting the 500 cui Eldorado drivetrain in the back of his Porche 914... sick. Thure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd92gsx Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 If you ever have any DSM questions, feel free to ask. I've been modding DSM's since around '95 and have been a tech for Mitsubishi for about 3 years now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 I`ve got one question about the mitsubishi starion. What differential do they use in that and the conquest? could it be an r200? Either way, is it a durable diff? and how much hp/tq can they handle? also how strong are the halfshafts and stub axles? Ok, five questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd92gsx Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 No, they're not R200 rear ends, but they are of a LSD variety, 3.54 ratio. The rear ends seem to be holding up well (although, some StarQuest guys are wanting to try and run a 300ZX rear end) with some running 11's, a couple running 10's, and 1 or two running 9's. The only real advantage I have been able to find is that the StarQuest rear end has LSD and you can still maintain your current gear ratio...unless you have a 3.90 I'm still doing a little research on that...we don't get too many StarQuests in at the dealership anymore, so it's hard to do alot of comparing. While I'm on the subject, I've been considering doing more research on dropping in a 2.4L version of the 2.0L 4G63. I've figured out how to run a Galant 2.4L block (86.5mm x 100mm bore/stroke) with a 2.0L DOHC 16V head. If you couple this to a Starion tranny (or use a Toyota tranny with one of the available bell housings designed for use with the 4G63) then you end up with an engine that produces as much torque as our 2.8L's (or pretty close to it) over the entire RPM range, but has the rev and head flowing capabilities to produce high amounts of hp with minimal mods. I'm still debating, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd92gsx Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 the one guy that I know that has done a 4G63 conversion to his StarQuest broke one of his axles, so I don't know if they are all that strong, or if he just had a fluke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 What kind of power does that 460g3 put out? The biggest plus I have found for the starquest diff is that I can get it with the axles for 100 bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd92gsx Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 The 1990-1992 4G63T's that came out of Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon's, and Plymouth Laser (collectively known as DSM's) came stock with 195hp. However, having over 500hp on the stock bottom end is not unheard of. The 1G (1990-1994) cylinder head is about pretty close to perfection from the factory. Again, plenty of 11 second 4G63's out there that have never had the cylinder head off. Quite a few that have never even had the valve cover off. They came stock with TD05H-14B turbos that could support roughly 300-310hp and 450cc injectors that would support about the same, maybe slightly higher if you pushed them (they almost always get replaced earlier, though, to prevent fuel cut). A myriad of parts are available for the 4G63T, pretty much anything you can think of. At the moment, the quickest 4G63T that I can think of is owned by Dave Buschur and ran an 8.03@172mph in the 1/4 mile. HKS is also running them in the Lemans series now and is supposedly offering a 500hp crate engine, probably at a extremely overexpensive price...The 4G63T has been used in the Lancer Evolution since day one. $100 is pretty good for that rear end. Is that the only one that they have for that price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Yea, It`s kind of a a backwoods yard that doesn`t get much stuff like that in. He doesn`t know what he has. Do you know where I can get a rebuild kit for the limited slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awd92gsx Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 I don't know of any place aftermarket that has them, so your best bet would probably be the dealer, however Top End Performance may be able to help you find an aftermarket rebuild kit if there is one available. They do alot of StarQuests (and Z's, too) so they may be able to answer some questions about the compatibility of the swap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl327 Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 it would be nice in a 510 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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