woldson Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Looking far out man! Have you consider some meth injection, to also reduce possible heat issues? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Thanks man Nah i am looking at a big intercooler to reduce temps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 fast z Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I would SERIOUSLY re-design so that you dont have those pipes so close to the intake. It will make a big difference. No matter what barrier you install, it wont be enough. It is alot easier to do it now, rather than once you have it all welded up. Just some food for thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Im going like this manifold, this one goes close to the intake as well. Hpc coating will reduce the temps alot im not worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 OK well did some more work on it today. of course i didnt have enough bends i was one short I will go get some more tomorrow and do some work on it thursday The intake manifold is just sitting on there at the moment so dont think its going to be running and touching the header at the same time I have redone number 6 it doesnt look right , you can see it in the first pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Have a look at this link and you will see the coating i am applying to the manifold when its finished http://ceramic-coatings.org/products/heat.aspx#E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Coating rock. They are claiming 56% less in temps on 900hp plus engine with 400deg. vs almost 1000deg. Wow. Did not notice if it was inside as well as out on that test. You going to do intake and exhaust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm with brian on this one wax, I'd take the whole of what you have, and drop it down a bit. It wouldn't be too hard to do, just seperate before the first bend, and angle the first straight section down about 10 degrees, for an inch and a half or so.this will rotate the turbo a smidge, but it should still be ok. it will help ALOT with heat. Even with the ceramic coating, you will still hit a heat problem real fast with this design. Besides, you aren't changing anything major, and a little prep is gonna be worth a lot less headache later. That said, you've got an awesome pile of snakes there. I wish I had the time to do one like that, i probably will after i get my car running. A simple head swap between the two N42 castings i have prepped and i'll be able to go from 9.7:1 to 8.3:1...Future-Proofing, they call it. Can't wait to see it all finished and cerama-chromed up! :mrgreen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenfood Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 wow thats looking really awsum :> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlerMonkey Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I would take two pieces of very thin stainless sheet sandwiched together, use a hammer to form them over the headers, separate them, place fiberglass between then, rivit them together, and bolt your new shield to the bottom of the intake leaving about 1/4 an inch spacing from the headers. If you look at dodge viper headers, they have a shield that looks like someone formed it over the headers with a hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 +1 on the heat shield and gaining some space. On the Coating - use the 2000 deg variant, and don't get black. Have you looked at putting some expansion joints in there anywhere? I think you'll be happier in the end if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 I will be cutting the flanges between the cylinders to allow for the pipes to move I also have an electrical furnace i will be putting the manifold into to normalise it after its all been welded. I appreciate your coments about the pipes but the picture makes them look closer than they are , i also have had used this thermal coating before and i know how effective it is , if this was not good enough i would simply wrap the pipes in tape , though this would be a pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 fast z Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Header wrap is a big no no. I dont get why you dont move everything down like 2"? It seems so easy to do. Also, what material are those elbows? cast Iron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 They are mild steel bends, 3mm thickness.This is what i use on all the turbo manifolds i have built to such date it works just fine I think you will find is the angle that the pic is taken on makes it look closer than it is . Have a look at the pic of the other manifold up top it will run as close if not closer than the one i have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 Ok well its finished pretty much Just have to weld it all solid now please excuse the mess in my car this is all pre my doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wax Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 And for all the people that seem to want to find fault in everything, Now the turbo doesnt hit the side of the car it has about an inch clearance its the angle its taken at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 fast z Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 And for all the people that seem to want to find fault in everything, Now the turbo doesnt hit the side of the car it has about an inch clearance its the angle its taken at A guy that can not take constructive critisisim, will not make it far. If you cant take it, dont post on this forum. All we are doing is providing our own personal experience with these motors, and motors in general. Use it or dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Seems like he's not convinced that it will be nesseary. On the other hand some are conviced he will have a problem, and won't let it go. I figure that this fellow would let us know if he has problems later, in the mean time has not this ship sailed on clearence. He is not the one bringing it up all the time. Also, 1fastZ I have no reason not to believe you and your expertise, however, it reminds me of others crapping about your cover. You got it and some would not let it go. Am I correct WAX that you will let us know if you run into vapor lock? Then this thread can be used as an example of what works or not???...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted June 17, 2009 Administrators Share Posted June 17, 2009 Bryan, let it go. You made your point, and I do believe its a fair one. However, continuing to needle him is not helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Will the intake side be rotated to have the outlet pointed up? Also any idea on what that thing weighs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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