Tim240z Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 I feel SO unworthy posting this on the same planet as Terry's stuff, but thought some may be interested, I know I love to see pictures of others' work in progress!! My almost completed fuel hatch. Just needs a latch and some paint and rubber sealing gaskets. Z28 Shifter which is cable operated and hooks up perfectly to my 200 4R trans. Drip rails removed with the initial coat of fiberglass reinforced plastic filler. If the images don't load Here is the Yahoo site , knowing yahoo the pictures will not appear here, so I moved these pictures to the top on the Yahoo page. Happy new year everyone!!!! Tim OK...The images don't load anymore so I deleted them...just click on the link instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Tim, Don't sell yourself short...the work is looking good. Terry is on another planet all his own, but us "Mortals" can still do pretty good work too! Terry, You need to start teaching a self help course for those of us who can't paint or do body work... it's humbling going to your site! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Hey guys, just a nerd here with an airfile. I more than anyone enjoy seeing any of our members work in the form of pictures. It provides ideas to others, gets the grey matter to wiggle around some, and can be a source for feedback. That's what this "family" of oodballs it all about. BTW,I can't see Tim's pictures, but it may be my firewall here at work. And I am at anybody's service for any advice, but I've been humbled quite so myself seeing what our other members are capable of. Just a small fish here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 I'm just picking at ya Terry! You are truly DA MAN! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Let me add that I too felt unworthy in many postings and appearances in shows and forums (and still do at times) many years ago when I first started. Sticking with the cause will allow you to grow and learn. And before long you too will have everbody fooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Your work is looking really good, Tim. Thanks for posting on your progress--it always is of interest and it definitely helps others along! Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted January 3, 2002 Author Share Posted January 3, 2002 Thanks for the comments guys. On a slightly different note..... Is there a prefered way to vent the plastic fuel cells? I have the Summit 16 gallon cell which has a vent on the top with a -6 fitting. Now what I was thinking was to run some SS braided hose from that fitting to vent outside the cell box (steel box holding the cell)on the side of the box, under the car. My concern is that when the cell is full/almost full, it may act a siphon and splash fuel through the vent. This would not only make the car smell like fuel (read: benzene vapors), but would also be environmentally terrible. I thought of a one way valve, but the breather would need to breathe both ways, to pull in air to replace used gasoline and breathe out for heat vapor expansion. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 Tim, I also have a plastic cell and had your same concerns. I called the maker of the cell (jazz I believe) and was told to vent directly to the atmosphere,and don't use any kind of one way valve. I am using a roll over valve. I have a short approx 1 foot piece of braided #6 hose off the vent. I have never had a problem with vapors or spilling fuel even a track events. Your work on the car looks awsome. Keep the pics coming. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zpeed Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 damn... can't wait to see that when its done.. i really wanna do the driprails.. looks so cleaner and modern.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kc6wfs Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 Tim, Race car drivers vent above the filling tube at the rear of the car, ie. catch can for nascar stock cars. You may loose a tad if you top off your tank but not much. Just a thought. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 Lookin good Tim! So when are ya gonna teach me to paint? I also have my vent tubed to a rollover valve under the car. Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 Tim, thanks for the pics. The work looks great, and glad to see the attention paid to the "unseen" parts too. Keep the pics coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted January 4, 2002 Author Share Posted January 4, 2002 Mark: Thanks for the info, makes me feel a little better about the whole deal! Dave: Ya know, a small catch tank sounds like a good idea..I think I might weld up an aluminum one!!, maybe about 1/2 pint or so in Size. Owen: Anytime...just come on by...bring one of your new rims so I can SEE!!!!!! Terry: Thanks for the comments....since you ARE THE MAN! The hammerite under the valence and fenders is just as much for cosmetics as it is for rust prevention. That dagum rust gets in everywhere! Thanks all... Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Juday Posted January 4, 2002 Share Posted January 4, 2002 Tim, another note on venting. Take this with a grain of salt, I'm no expert and I'm not making any recommendations. I just tried to keep the fuel system from the tpi as stock as posible. I ripped out the stock tank and installed a smaller one off to the passenger side for exhaust clearance. Pic of tank installed The TA had a stock vent valve that I got from the wrecked car. It's a little bigger than a walnut. It allows the tank to hold about 5psi before it vents out, but opens to allow air in under a very small vacuum. In between it stays closed to save fuel and smells. I mounted it between the stock rear fender and the fiberglass over-fender about level with the fill tube in height. If I didn't have the fiberglass fenders I'd mount it in the fender well above the level of the fuel tank. Just thought I'd share my solution. If you wanted to get one of those valves I'm sure you could find one at the JY's cheep. They're probably not very spendy new either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted January 4, 2002 Share Posted January 4, 2002 Tim, Awesome looking fabrication work! That's a nice pile of photos there showing some inventive engineering and fabrication. Man, that R230 mount kit looks good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted January 4, 2002 Author Share Posted January 4, 2002 Dan Juday, That T/A valve sounds good, except, I wonder about the 5psi threshold. That is obviously fine for a steel tank, but do you think that kind of pressure will affect a distortion to a plastic tank? Maybe I will make a little aluminum tank as I mentioned before and fill it with activated carbon?, and mount it where the stock rear muffler used to be, out of the way and out of sight!. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Juday Posted January 5, 2002 Share Posted January 5, 2002 I was going to actualy measure the pressure at which the valve opens. But it's dark and cold out there dinner will be ready soon. Maybe tomarrow. You could always get one and pressurize the tank and see how much it grows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 Dan Juday, What years/models can I find this 'valve' jobby?, and where on the car do I look for it when I'm JY hounding? Thanks for the info, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Juday Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I was afraid you'ld ask. My doner car was a '91 TA. I imagine it is common to all 3rd gen F bodies (and probably a lot of other GM FI cars). As far as where to find it on the car I just don't remember. Find the bundle of fuel lines coming from the tank and follow them. Sorry, I even tried looking in my Firebird service manual and can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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