it might seem strange, coming from myself who is by no means a longtime member, and for this i apologize in advance. however, i thought that hybridz.org was started up as a place for open- minded discussion of all things pertaining to the enhancement beyond stock of the z-family of automobiles. and seeing as how a hybrid is truly defined as any combination of enhancement that expands the parameters and capabilities of the stock car, wouldn't any exclusionary measure such as the one suggested in the beginning of this thread be a reverse form of the same elitist purism that this site was started to avoid in the first place? i know that was one long sentence, but one that i felt needed to be said. much love to everyone.