Ferd/289 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I was watching the Boyd Coddinton show where they prep the car surfaces by first sanding to bare metal, then etch primer, then it looks like they completely cover the car surfaces with what looks like a 'thinned' bondo covering, before final sanding down again. I guess they use the bondo as a last phase filler before paint. Is this correct. I have also seen this done on motorcycle tins. If the bondo is thined, how is that done? How do you get the right consistancy. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 You can thin plastic filler with a product called "honey" (I think that's the name). I used it and it works really nice. makes the filler really really smooth....I used yogurt consistency as a guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhadman Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I saw that, too. Crazy how much bondo they use on alot of those high dollar cars. Most cars require a certain amount, for sure, but man... I want to hear more about this 'honey' stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Don't know if this is the same as the "honey", but I've used Evercoat's filler mixed with some polyester resin/catalyst from Home Depot. I got this from some online autopainter's bulletin board. They called it "slurry'". Sanding non-mixed filler was easier tho. Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I've used Evercoat as well. All I know is I'll never do any panel repair again without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanomon Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 First let me start out by saying that I'm not an expert body guy, so these are IMOs and observations. I think the viscosity or thickness is proportunate to the ability to knock it down with sandpaper. Example; Bonod is about like bread dough or peanut butter and, is harder to sand down. Where as cream fillers like Feather Coat, are more like pancake batter or yogert and will sand out much easier. So the thinner your filler, the better they tend to spread on, and then blend out. As far as thinning or cutting them, as long as you're using a polyurethane bassed product (resin type) styrene or monomer additave will thin it out to a desired consistancy. If I'm way off here, perhaps an autobody pro will chime in to correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Hi Ernie, I have a question: If the filler that is layered over, say fiberglass, shrinks, will the imperfections be truly noticeable? How bad could they be? I'm wondering if one could then fill over the imperfections and end up with a failr good end result? Just curious. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staledale Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hi RacerX, How bout Z chrome by clausen? Hey, with a name like that it has to be good. Here's a link to the ebay mustang that Rad rods by Troy did. They talk about "Honey" what are they mixing with it? I just sparyed the Z chrome on a 31 model A today and I'll let it sit a week or so and see how it sands. http://66.139.75.240/story5-1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Magnum Rockwilder Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Sprayable filler works as well and is easier to apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 I guess the even the high dollar cars use this topcoat of bondo/evercoat or whatever with resin to smooth out all the little imperfections over old painted surface and bare metal. This saves much time but is not as exotic as true total body sheet metal work which few including me know how to do today. I am curious if anyone out there has a customized HybridZ with all metal body. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 I guess the even the high dollar cars use this topcoat of bondo/evercoat or whatever with resin to smooth out all the little imperfections over old painted surface and bare metal. This saves much time but is not as exotic as true total body sheet metal work which few including me know how to do today. I am curious if anyone out there has a customized HybridZ with all metal body. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 I guess the even the high dollar cars use this topcoat of bondo/evercoat or whatever with resin to smooth out all the little imperfections over old painted surface and bare metal. This saves much time but is not as exotic as true total body sheet metal work which few including me know how to do today. I am curious if anyone out there has a customized HybridZ with all metal body. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest butlersZ Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 The "honey" you guys are referring to is called "Plastik Honey", it's used to thin out body fillers and works quite well actually. I have used it and like the pudding type consistency. http://www.macsalesco.com/pr_disp_det.php?prod_id=384 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dot Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Styrene. Don't get it in your eyes. Hurts...lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Share Posted December 7, 2004 Racerx,,You bring up a good point. I guess you can consider primer's including high-build's, a type of 'plastic' covering. I have reading up on automotive metal finishing and I guess its a lost art save for the few who still make a living pounding out new replacement fenders and body parts for classic and custom cars. Marcel and family in southern Cal. comes to mind. These folks use english wheels, plannishers, pounding bags, Yoder's etc. and use steel and aluminum. Plastic is good in that it saves a lot of time and it looks basically the same as an all metal replacement. All metal is to me still more exotic, and still has its place in areas like racing, ie Nascar, F1 etc. I would be happy being considered a good plastic body repairer ( which I am not, but working on it). BTW, lots of stuff I have learned has been from you on this URL..thanks much. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 Racerx, That all makes sense about the racing and all. Thanks for clearing that up. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 I have a bunch. I need to learn how to post some pics..should be up shortly. Ferd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Ernie' date=' I have a question: If the filler that is layered over, say fiberglass, shrinks, will the imperfections be truly noticeable? How bad could they be? I'm wondering if one could then fill over the imperfections and end up with a failr good end result? Just curious. Davy[/quote'] I've done this to the underside of my glass hood am curious to know the answer. How long before you notice any shrinking? Also, if the filler is painted over with base/clear, I assume that will slow down the shrinkage. Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferd/289 Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 You can view pictures of my car on this URL: Its new so if you have problems let me know. Ferd http://www.geocities.com/oakmossy/Datsun_edge.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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