Montoya Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Has anyone had any experience with the Carbon fiber ZG flares that MSA is selling? http://www.zcarparts.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=50-1563&Category_Code=7BSA02 I am not farmilliar with the installation of ZG flares, do you need to cut the fenders or just rivet them on? Thanks in advance for any information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 No I have not had experience with the CF ones, but man, for that price, you could buy the fiberglass ones from Classic Datsun and have them covered in CF. And they weigh 30 lbs too from MSAs ad!! Shipping must be a biotch. As for cutting, guys have done it both ways, but it really depends on what your tires and wheels will do under the car and how wide you are going--if your tire & wheel combo hits the fenders now, you have to cut, but if not, then don't worry about cutting anything. They attach with rivets or nuts & bolts. That said, do a search and you should find a thread by ON3GO, I believe, where all of that was answered. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 My front guards were cut to clear the tyres, the rears did not have to be cut for mine. Depends on the wheel width and offset of course as to whether or not the guards have to be cut. The fibreglass ones provide entirely adequate stiffness BTW, can't see the point in having CF ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JAMIE T Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 On my '71, the front wheel opening is not cut but the rear is. That has 14x8 with a 0 offset. On my '73, front and back is cut out. I'm running 18 x 9.5" steam rollers on all four corners on that though. One car has a set of Classic Datsun flares and the other has a set from Japan. I must honestly say, the ones from Classic Datsun are better quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S15 200sx owner Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 The fibreglass ones provide entirely adequate stiffness BTW, can't see the point in having CF ones. Its just the look i guess, i must admit they do look pretty sexy in the picture on their site Clint T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 The fibreglass ones provide entirely adequate stiffness BTW, can't see the point in having CF ones. Those look like they're made from the same crappy mold as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Are the MSA fiberglass ones crap or are they fairly good quality? The only reason I want carbon fiber is because it will go with the look I am going for, however those are pretty pricey. If I can get away with wrapping the fiberglass, then that is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 No I have not had experience with the CF ones' date=' but man, for that price, you could buy the fiberglass ones from Classic Datsun and have them covered in CF. And they weigh 30 lbs too from MSAs ad!! Shipping must be a biotch. As for cutting, guys have done it both ways, but it really depends on what your tires and wheels will do under the car and how wide you are going--if your tire & wheel combo hits the fenders now, you have to cut, but if not, then don't worry about cutting anything. They attach with rivets or nuts & bolts. That said, do a search and you should find a thread by ON3GO, I believe, where all of that was answered. Davy[/quote'] Thanks Davy, I am in the process of putting the 240SX subframe on my car and I am not sure yet what my wheel width is going to be. To be honest, I am not even sure if the ZG flares will be wide enough once I get a decent set of rubber on my car. I'll keep everone updated with pics as soon as I am done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Are the MSA fiberglass ones crap or are they fairly good quality? The only reason I want carbon fiber is because it will go with the look I am going for, however those are pretty pricey. If I can get away with wrapping the fiberglass, then that is the way to go. http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=91490&page=2&pp=25& Also, I'm sure the 30 lbs is dimensional weight, like the box they come in is so big it has to be charged as 30 lbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=91490&page=2&pp=25&Also' date=' I'm sure the 30 lbs is dimensional weight, like the box they come in is so big it has to be charged as 30 lbs...[/quote'] Ah, that makes sense, but it's going to be pricey...ouch. We had a group buy last year and we bought from Classic Datsun if I remember correctly. Aux knows since he organized it. They are good quality IMO, but I wish they had gel coated them black instead of white. Who likes white fiberglass??? Black, baby! Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaime240z Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Montoya, I see you're in socal. Why not just take a little road trip and check them out in person at MSA? And bring a tape measure! If you do this, please report the quality of the flairs to us on the board!!! And if you end up buying them you can throw the shipping cost out the window too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Jarvis Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 Thanks Davy, I am in the process of putting the 240SX subframe on my car and I am not sure yet what my wheel width is going to be. To be honest, I am not even sure if the ZG flares will be wide enough once I get a decent set of rubber on my car. I'll keep everone updated with pics as soon as I am done. If you stay with the 240SX offset wheels, then they will fit under ZG's with room to spare. If you go with a more traditonal RWD offset (zero or so) I think it will be tight. I waited quite some time for the CF ZG's (from Classic Datsun), but finally had to move on..... Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 One good thing with the CF flares is that they would not have to be painted; the fibreglass ones do to look decent. On the CF look with a '70's car I'll leave to other comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 I guess nobody is reading that other thread I linked to. The MSA flares are made by Classic Datsun. So if MSA has ZG flares in carbon fiber, they should be made by Classic Datsun. And I still haven't ordered a set of flares yet, so if any of you carbon fiber freaks orders up some CF flares, my offer to buy your perfect condition old fiberglass flares for $50 still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted June 24, 2005 Author Share Posted June 24, 2005 Montoya, I see you're in socal. Why not just take a little road trip and check them out in person at MSA? And bring a tape measure! If you do this, please report the quality of the flairs to us on the board!!! And if you end up buying them you can throw the shipping cost out the window too! I was thinking the same thing. I will go check them out next week and report back here as to what I think about them. Also, I know my car is a 71 and CF might not look to the time period however I bet if people in 1971 had access to CF for their cars they would have had it on their cars. Besides, my RB motor is not exactly period correct either....modernization is underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhadman Posted June 24, 2005 Share Posted June 24, 2005 CF and a 70's car can look good together. Just depends on how you do it and who's looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-TARD Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 I just ordered and received my ZG flares from MSA a few days ago. The gel coat on them is excellent, but I'll be painting them anyway because scratches in paint are a lot easier to repair than scratches in gel coat. I haven't bolted them to the car yet, but initial trial fits seem like they will need some persuasion to bolt up correctly. I'm going to use 1/4"-20 nutserts and stainless allen head fasteners. I'll try to take some pictures of the installation and results when I do it, waiting on the nutserts to show up in the mail first. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted June 25, 2005 Author Share Posted June 25, 2005 I just ordered and received my ZG flares from MSA a few days ago. The gel coat on them is excellent' date=' but I'll be painting them anyway because scratches in paint are a lot easier to repair than scratches in gel coat. I haven't bolted them to the car yet, but initial trial fits seem like they will need some persuasion to bolt up correctly. I'm going to use 1/4"-20 nutserts and stainless allen head fasteners. I'll try to take some pictures of the installation and results when I do it, waiting on the nutserts to show up in the mail first. Mike[/quote'] Thanks for the update. I look forward to your take on the fitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 I just ordered and received my ZG flares from MSA a few days ago. The gel coat on them is excellent' date=' but I'll be painting them anyway because scratches in paint are a lot easier to repair than scratches in gel coat. I haven't bolted them to the car yet, but initial trial fits seem like they will need some persuasion to bolt up correctly. I'm going to use 1/4"-20 nutserts and stainless allen head fasteners. I'll try to take some pictures of the installation and results when I do it, waiting on the nutserts to show up in the mail first. Mike[/quote'] I highly recommend against the nutserts, I used them for the rears and they only gave me major grief. I used the snap-on tool for them and some nice thick quality looking nutserts. After removing the flares once for paint, 3/4 of the nutserts came loose and spun in the hole. I was able to get them back on - but only because I can reach the inside of the fender from the hatch. I guess use metal screws or something, my advice anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastzcars Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 About the nutinserts, They come in 2 to 3 different depth sizes. For different thickness material's. Maybe that's why they lost there grip? Try this website http://www.mcmastercarr.com . Search nut insert, you'll be surprised from the different assortment. I use the knurled nut rivet. If the hole in the panel goes through the body and into the interior of the car, get the knurled ones with the pvc seal. That will keep water from penetrating through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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