S30TRBO Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well pistons are in, block is done, waiting on valves from Ferrara after new seats were cut in and now I need some advice. I don't know if my machinist is getting lazy but I know he is swamped. However, today he threw this at me, he asked me to check around on prices for rods. He said after all the labor involved in race prepping the stock L28ET rods (cracks/polish/shot peen/balance/arp), and bushed for full float **thanks James** it might not be worth it and just to buy a set of rods that may be cheaper or close. So I did some calling around and here is what I came up with: ~Pauter $1176.00 on shelf ~Cunningham $1200 12-14 weeks ~Crower $1177 12-14 weeks ~Eagle NONE ouch What do you guys think? I am only looking at making 400-450RWHP (more would be nice) and I know the stock rods when prepped will handle that. However, I think my budget will allow, but do I need to go all out on rods too, or kick him in the a*s and have him race prep my rods? Honestly, How much am I looking at in machining and labor costs to prep the stock rods verses going custom? Is it really that close, I have no idea....HELP!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest norm[T12SDSUD] Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I say if he is too lazy just find someone else to race prep your rods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 find someone else to do the rods the stockers will hold it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 You didn't mention Carillo. I think that's the most common aftermarket L series rod. Everything I've read about stock rods says they should hold the power you're expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S30TRBO Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 You didn't mention Carillo. I think that's the most common aftermarket L series rod. There was a reason why I didn't mention them, they were the most expensive and proud of there pricing: ~$1800 12-14 week turn around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lvcien Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'd say the crowers, I know they can handle that power range -- it's what I'm using for a 500+ hp project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfreer85 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Check out IPP http://www.importperformanceparts.net/ they have both l24 and L28 rods for $745 http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/nissan-rods.html . Hope that helps. Tyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonZ Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 must be typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelix112 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 If you've got the choice between crower and cunningham and the difference is only $23, there is no choice. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 This is probably opening up a can of worms, there is an argument for not bushing the wrist pin on full floater apps. Mine aren't, this is on a full tilt race motor too, and I haven't had any problems. I just tore town the motor and there wasn't any play. The old timer I took it to has been building motors without them for a long time. He did put a pretty good sized hole on the top of the rod, based off my memory about .25". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelix112 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 preith, Where is the argument? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 preith' date=' Where is the argument? Dave[/quote'] Huh? 240ztt specifically mentioned bushing the rods as part of the machining costs. The argument is to bush or not. I'm sure there's differences in opinion out there, which you can count on with just about anything having to do with engines. Typically when two parties have a difference of opinion it leads to an "argument". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelix112 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Sorry, I interpretted argument in the context you used it as ``the logical support of an opinion'', which I didn't really see. An elderly gentleman you know doesn't do it? Is that the extent of the support for your opinion? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Sorry' date=' I interpretted argument in the context you used it as ``the logical support of an opinion'', which I didn't really see. An elderly gentleman you know doesn't do it? Is that the extent of the support for your opinion? Dave[/quote'] Actually that was only part of the extent of support for my opinion, the other was my own engine with a race season under it's belt, and no problems. Also, reffering to him as "an elderly gentlemen" may be oversimplification. He's an experienced engine builder. I'm just going off my memory, but I beleive Honzowetz covers this topic in his book as well, and leaves the decision to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S30TRBO Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Well it's going to cost around $500-$600 for the machine work in addition to having them bushed so I think I am going to bite the bullet and go with the Pauter Rods. My reasoning: 1.)The 350Z/G35, Skyline RB guys are using them. Pauter is no new kid on the block either. 2.)They are on the shelf ready to be shipped. I don't have to wait 12-16 weeks as my motor has been at the machine shop for 8 months. Also have another 1-2 months of fabrication for the TEC 3, manifolds, I/C and exhaust ahead.... 3.)The price. Wish me luck at least I will have a stout bottom end.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S30TRBO Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 well ordered the Pauter Rods, they will be at the machine shop on friday... i hope I made a good move. BTW anyone want a set of L28ET Rods, magnafluxed w/ ARP Bolts PM me an offer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelix112 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 You'll be happy with the pauters i'm sure. They'll handle everything you can throw at them. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v80z Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Polish them yourself. Instead of getting bonze bushings installed I just had the bore the pin holes to .006-.008 of the pin OD. Every time I took that thing down they always looked good. I used to drill my upper oiling holes myself and peen the lower one closed as well. Then Polish them. Then I would take them to the shop and have the piston pin holes bored. I would have them balance them as well. $10-$12 /rod for boring and I think it was 1 - 2 hours labor to balance them. All in all <$150.00 for the machine shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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