bjhines Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I know a lot of folks like the alfas... We include the local Alfa club in our THSCC race series events... along with a lot of other enthusiast clubs for all makes... But.. the Alfa guys bear the brunt of many jokes at our driver's meetings... They are slow cars... In ANY FORM.... race street or hybridized... they are unreliable, hard to find parts for.. and they tend to loose a lot of parts and fluids on track... You have to keep in mind that the 240Zs absolutely CRUSHED damn near ANYTHING offered before 1970... It always amuses me when I come up behind a historic, race-built Alfa smelling like race gas and synthetic oil... and then I overtake it so fast I barely avoid clipping it... I have little interest in historic racing prior to 1970... the cars are often out of reach price wise... and they are just about as fast as a mid 1980s Ford Fiesta... I would put a 1995 Toyota Camry WAGON up against most of the historics and bet against the historics... even a low end minivan could beat 90% of those cars on track... Even the lovely looking Jaguar race cars in this thread are piss poor race cars... they have a lot of power.. top speed is IMPRESSIVE... but they DONT TURN!!! honestly they don't even accelerate very quickly.. they just have a 200MPH top speed... if they have a couple of miles in a staight line... they can break 200MPH... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ManyZs Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Sorry Ernie, I should have stated that the factory Audi's never used the V-8's in the US, when the factory pulled the plug on the Group44 effort, I lost interest in the Audi's completely. During the time that Group44 was campaigning the Audi's, I worked around the corner from Tullius' shop and was trying to get a job there, even if it was to sweep the floors. The sad part is, IIRC correctly, it was also the last road racing effort of Group44. It wasn't long after that they tried their hand at "Smashcar" Busch series racing with sponsorship from one of the local apple companies, and then the race shop was taken over by Tom Milner who then built up PTG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ManyZs Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 It would have been nicer if I had been a few years older when I moved here to VA and could have gotten a job with them when they were still racing the Trans Am XJS and then the GTP Jaguars, which in my mind are still possibly the most beautiful race cars of all time. I had begun building an ITS 280Z in late 88, so the money was important and none of the race teams I talked to could come close to offering what I was making then, the only one that came close was Tom Walkinshaw, Peter Ferrell bluntly told me I didn't want a job with him.... I'll PM you a funny story that happened during that IMSA race weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b__sosick Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 this is easily one of my alltime favorite threads here at hybridZ. keep it comin' guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 81na ZX Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 and speaking of Alfas - I still have a soft spot for the GTV6... Right before I moved out here in September, I saw a mostly clean GTV6 parked on the street in down town Ann Arbor I could go on and on about AROC of michigan and the awesome autox's they put on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 how about this opel? One of Ernie's Monzas...Suspension seems a little on the soft side. And a road racing vw bug... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjhines Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 The Lambo is one of my favorites... just because it is so rediculous on the street... I couldn't swear to it.... But I asked the owner what he had done to the fuel injection system...??? IIRC... He told me that it was a Megasquirt system... I know he picked the car up for around $70,000 and spent relatively little $$$ getting it into trackable shape... I do believe he ended up with a BMW a couple of years later... .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I could go on and on about AROC of michigan and the awesome autox's they put on Agreed - I've been to a few of their autoXs, and they do a great job. I've noticed that they seem to prefer shorter, tighter courses - go figure . There is a really nice older GTV like the one posted first in this thread on the next block over from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 The Lambo is one of my favorites... just because it is so rediculous on the street... That's a really nice example of the Countach. IMHO, they looked much better before they got all crapped up with wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I have 10 gigs of web storage space and I am uploading some good ones now... All of these are CG... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 GT40 skyline: full size Lancia rustang Ferrari 250 rusty pontiac: McLaren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad-ManQ45 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 How about an early GTV? Always been partial to 'em... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritech-z Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Anybody have pictures of a Countach with a front spoiler? I KNOW they had those, but I've been unable to find any pictures of them at all lately...I also can't seem to find any pictures of the front spoiler that was available for the second gen MR-2 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtsnlvrs Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Don't forget about Panteras...great '70's cars. I love them. And they love me too. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritech-z Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Pantera is my dream car! Those cars look so mean! I like the Mangusta as well, I think I might have been the only one in the theatre that noticed that's the car Bill drives in the movie Kill Bill when I saw it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKC_280z Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Awesome thread!! A couple years ago I was looking through some magazines that my grandfather had from the early 80's and I found this. I got this picture off the internet but I have the authentic ad from the magazine hangin on my wall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slownrusty Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Davy - Thanks for bringing up the Pantera! Like Ernie says one of the best supercars of all time. I have enver had the prviledge of riding in one, but love them to death as well. The GT5-S is the lastest body style you are thinking about Ernie and I believe only a few made it over to the US I have a press release test that I can dig-up and scan. I continue to look on eBay at these monsters! Awesome Here is a 1988 model: 1989 model: Yasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ManyZs Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Understated English muscle, and this one is a hybrid..... http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/evo0402.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeboy Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I love my Vette, and I love my Z - But the Detomaso Pantera Group 4 /GT4 is my favorite: Go here http://www.pim.net if you want to drool !!!! A friend who manages a body shop e-mailed me a picture of the black pantera above during the body work process. (He did not take the photo, I did not take the photo)He was working on a Pantera with steel flares instead of the fiberglass ones and received this photo and several others to use as a guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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