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so school completley at my lunch since august.... got some free time trying to get all these MS projects on the road again. I'm soldering mine right now to do VR instead of the HEI i was running... in the MSnSE insturctions it says TSEL-VROUT or VROUTINV for inverted... i thought I remember something about we were supposed to use inverted on the Z dist but searching I can't come up with anything.

 

So i'm going to solder to VROUT but if i could get some confirmation later that would be great too.

-Ed

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So i'm in the process of finishing this up but it's been a while and I want to make sure I have it right. Before I was triggering off the coil (fuel only) then I went to HEI 8pin (couldn't get it working properly) now I"m going with the vb921 driver and using the VR sensor as the trigger.

 

I'm curious if I should have C30, C12 installed as I have a jumper for C30 and C12 said only install if triggering off the neg of the coil... so do i no longer need it?

 

I also have jumpers for D1 and D2 looks like those are used only for triggering off neg of coild as well... so leave the jumpers or remove them all together?

 

Sorry for all the questions guys.

 

Just to clarify... 3.0 board with MS1 MSnSE wanting to use the vb921 to control ignition w/ a vr sensor.

 

-Ed

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I have C30 and C12 installed, as well as D1 and a 22V Zener diode backwards in D2. These are from when I was running fuel only, before I switched to spark control via the VR dizzy. It seems like setting up the jumpers for the VR circuit bypasses these altogether, but if you really want to play it safe, I have mine set up as stated, and the car's been running fine.

 

Also, I don't remember for sure, but IIRC VROUT is correct, VROUTINV is not.

 

EDIT: Looking at the vr wave diagrams at msextra.com, it looks like it doesn't matter whether you use regular or inverted, and it also doesn't matter how you wire up the red and green wires coming out of the dizzy, though it may change your trigger angle quite a bit to change between them. The only time it would matter is if you were using a ford vr sensor to use a 36-1 wheel, where it needs to skip a count where the missing tooth passes.

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Nismo280zED -

When setting up for the VR dizzy you use VROUT not inverted. The inverted you're thinking of is in the software setup from MegaTune. Use the red wire for the trigger and the green wire for the ground. It will make a difference. It seems if they are switched your trigger will be off and you'll get a jumpy timing signal.

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Nismo280zED -

When setting up for the VR dizzy you use VROUT not inverted. The inverted you're thinking of is in the software setup from MegaTune. Use the red wire for the trigger and the green wire for the ground. It will make a difference. It seems if they are switched your trigger will be off and you'll get a jumpy timing signal.

 

 

For the record, that's exactly how I have mine set up, as well.

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Well no dice guys. I've got some gremlins somewhere.

 

Above mods are done to my board.

 

Red wire from dizzy connected to pin 24 (IGN) on the wired loom

Green wire grounded with other MS grounds

 

Pin 36 (brown wire from loom) to coil neg

 

Confirmed coil is getting power while cranking

Confirmed the VR is giving a good signal from the red wire (oscilliscope)

 

While cranking MS shows no rpm jumps

 

Ever trigger angle from 0-90 has been tried along with the +22.5 and +45 additions.

 

No spark.... at all.... ever. :-(

 

running 024s13 code

 

holding ign at 2 like MS manual recomends.

Both tunning pots full counterclockwise like recomended.

I don't know, Next semester starts Monday and I was really trying to get the motor running before then so it didn't sit for another 6 months.

 

Any ideas on things to check and try i'm all ears.

-Ed

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Okay, you have a nice clean RPM signal into Megasquirt. You can now ignore the trigger input segment (other than trigger angle) and concentrate on the spark output circuitry.

 

For starters, you have done this mod, yes?

http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Extra_Ignition_Hardware_Manual.htm#singlecoil

 

Secondly, in Megatune, File -> Codebase and output functions. Make sure LED17(D14)function is set to 'Spark Output A'

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Okay, you have a nice clean RPM signal into Megasquirt. You can now ignore the trigger input segment (other than trigger angle) and concentrate on the spark output circuitry.

 

For starters, you have done this mod, yes?

http://www.msextra.com/manuals/MS_Extra_Ignition_Hardware_Manual.htm#singlecoil

 

Secondly, in Megatune, File -> Codebase and output functions. Make sure LED17(D14)function is set to 'Spark Output A'

 

done all that except I don't have spark inverted.

Gonna check the signal on the dizzy again next time i'm workn' on it, that's the only thing I can think of.

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The only thing that concerns me here is you said that you have the green wire connected to the rest of the MS grounds? The green wire should be connected to the shielding around the ignition wire (Pin 24). I don't know what kind of difference this makes, but my car runs wired that way. The center copper core connects to the red wire, make sure to heat shrink wrap it to keep it from crossing connections with the braided shield. Then twist the braided shielding up and connect it to the green wire.

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Well i'm positive the problem lies in the pickup coil in the dizzy. I have it wires as stated, grounded as stated, even installed a pull up resistor to get a better signal. I took the dizzy out of it's hole just now and spun the bottom and nothing, no rpm jumps on Megatune and no blinking or flashing led on the box.

 

This is really starting to irk me. More investing.

 

-Ed

 

 

EDIT 1hr later....

 

so i'm checking everthing. I decide to try a different dist. SAME PICKUP COIL put it in the diff dizzy. hook it up... spin it with my hand... registering like 50 rpm on the megatune finally! I hear some clicking then all of a sudden it goes dead. No more signal. I disconnect the battery ground and re conect it and try it again, now it says rpm when it loads up then goes to zero no matter how i adjust the pickup coil and how fast or slow I spin it.

 

So i'm assuming my pickup took a dump on me yet again. This would make number three. I guess I'll go buy a new one this time.

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Forgive the bump of an old thread, this information is very useful!

 

I concentrated my efforts on the #8 assembly (referring to the diagram posted on page #1). I removed the vacuum advance, and put the screw back in. Then I placed a tack weld from the underside to lock the screw.

 

I did not weld the top screw. At least not yet. Once I get this into the car, I'll evaluate that. I might just run the threads through some jb-weld... better than loc-tite! I also didn't remove any parts permanently.

 

When re-assembling the distributor, the slots on #9 have to align with the pins on #11, correct? The diagram leads you to believe that #9 fits perpendicular to those pins.

 

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I ran it on megatune with an electric drill... got the RPMs up to about 2000.

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