wherezmytofu Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 how much for this swap...project wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurate Injection Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Retail: It will be about the same as the Nissan TB48 Manifold/ITB Kits! $600 for the Manifold. $1249 ITB kit is the Same price for a 6 cylinder. $150 Linkage kit. Electronics price is TBA! We are looking for Dealers as well! Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alternativez2003 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Noting some of the comments here, I suggest visiting the BMW Roadfly forums. Lots of good ideas there. I'd like to supercharge the m30 in my Z, but no one has a setup yet. The choice of engine depends on the sort of character one wants in the car. I've done the V8 in the Z, actually way back in '73. I like the six, since the Z was designed for that format. I also liked the very strong, determined way the 3.5 pulled my big, overweight 635 around with plenty of gusto, and it simply reminded me of the lightweight Z that I really wanted to be driving, about a ton less than the 635, so I figured it would do for me. I also like the "old school" look of the older BMW engine, plenty of aluminum to polish, and I'm not keen on plastic covers. And...sometimes we just go with what we have. There is also a connection between Datsun and BMW, so I'm doing a little tribute to old Albrecht Goertz, (but I shouldn't mention that on a Z forum). My little '76 2002 should zip with the m42, and there is a nice Downing Atlanta supercharger kit already set up for that engine. Can't wait. So, Pick the engine/car combination that drives the way you want it to. It's really cool to build a Z in such a personal way. Have fun. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fenivision Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I might want to add something to the S50B32. Before I moved to the states I had a '98 Z3 M Coupe with the S50B32 engine in it. (Moved here from Vienna, Austria) The engine is known for big issues with the conrod and crankshaft bearings. My engine blew only 250 miles before my ALREADY scheduled bearing swap. Instead of 1 grand it turned out to be 8.5k. The crankshaft had to be reground, 1 conrod bent, etc.... I was quite pissed as you might imagine. One more thing you would want to consider for all the "S" series engines is just replacing seals and bearings once you buy it, as these babies are very sensitive to mistreatment. I loved my M Coupe, but decided not to bring it to the states, because the engine (as far as I know) never went on sale in the states and therefore couldn't be "legally" driven. But you just gotta love that 7,6k redline! Just my 2 cents.... Oh ... and my technical english isn't that good yet, so don't wonder if some things sound weird Just in case you're wondering what the S50B32 sounds like: (And yes ... the engine was warm ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurate Injection Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Neat Video, but Hell I was doing that in a $350 1985 Mazda RX7 on the Auto-X course yesterday! Hahahahaha! Amazing how easy it is when the Goodyear Wingfoot Tires are are 20 yrs old and HARD are bricks! Nothing like a Beater to go out and have a blast with! As a side note: The motor smoked so Bad, I got a call from the Houston County Alabama "misquito eradication" department asking where they needed to send the check for my services! LMAO! Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 240zgus Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 i have a 95 m3 that is crashed and thinking of droping it in into the "Z" ?????????? can it be done??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accurate Injection Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 BMW motors are not Torque Monsters or the older ones are not I should say, but are reliabale and can be made to have lots of HP! The Stock 95 325is I put on the Dyno, came in at 171/157 hp/tq at the wheels! That was not a M3 as you know! Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted June 23, 2009 Author Administrators Share Posted June 23, 2009 i have a 95 m3 that is crashed and thinking of droping it in into the "Z" ?????????? can it be done??????? Can it be done? Dunno, haven't seen it done yet but I'm sure it can be... So who's first? (Shameless plug...) Click ME for BMW M3 powertrain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted July 14, 2009 Author Administrators Share Posted July 14, 2009 Looks like it is being done.. http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=150505 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted August 23, 2010 Author Administrators Share Posted August 23, 2010 Bump. There is something about the inline 6 cylinder engine that just feels right in the S-30 Z cars. The sound, feel, give and overall character of the inline 6 just fits so nice. The original L6 is a sweetheart power plant, simple durable and reliable. The more modern twin cam RB’s and JZ typically harder with comparable mods, yet keep the that inline 6 character and feel of the original Z. I am surprised we don’t see more German inline 6 powered Z cars?! MAG58 beats the Merc 6 drum, it is proven performer and plentiful, the BMW engines are also just as capable, and as or more plentiful and just as capable in N/A or boosted trim as the Japanese twin cam inline 6’s. One aspect that in my mind makes them more attractive than say the RB and JZ as a possible swap option is these German engines were not only used in production cars offered here in the states, but they there are LOTS of them! That means maintenance parts are easy to get being available over the parts counter locally, and there is lots aftermarket support as well for the guys wanting go further N/A or boosted. This well known 1000+HP BMW inline 6 is one example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOOiQrk-ikA 8.83 seconds @ 157.6 MPH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted August 23, 2010 Author Administrators Share Posted August 23, 2010 Here's another Turbo inline 6 BMW M50 powered Volvo showing off; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted August 23, 2010 Administrators Share Posted August 23, 2010 One aspect that in my mind makes them more attractive than say the RB and JZ as a possible swap option is these German engines were not only used in production cars offered here in the states, but they there are LOTS of them! Another perk is weight. While I can't provide irrefutable data, it's sure looking like the M50/S52 and it's cousins are lighter than the Japanese equivalents. P.S. I'm digging the new avatar V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Hey now, I've got TWO BMW inline 6 engines... they just happen to not be in my Z. If I had to do it all over again, I'd be tempted by an S50 or S52 me thinks... Need some Coupe content: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sq_creations Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 That is one sick coupe in the video!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JelmerPatrol Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 I'm also a big fan of BMW's. I build myself an '84 E28 5 series with a S38B38 from an E34. Put a dogleg close ratio gearbox behind it and a LSD in the rear. The Koni/Apex suspension and Brembo BIG brakes do the rest. Last year I put a carbon airbox on it and a stainless exhaust and it sounds so aggresive now! Totally love that beast! We also have a E39 M5 wich we use for drift events and the 400hp V8 is a great engine but not as snappy, angry, and willing to make rpm's as the inline S38. The V8 Mpower CAN go in higher rpm levels but when you don't, he's allright with that too. The S38 DOES want to make rpm's!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzary3233 Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Coming from a BMW background I'd like to add that the BMW OBD I M50 motors pretty much have a standalone DME/harness. EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING except for the VSS is within the engine harness. It would make for a really great swap because there is hardly any nonsense in the M50/S50 harnesses. You can use these harnesses with the S50 and M52 motors along with the OBDI intake manifold. The only issue you will come to is that the OBDII cars only have one port in the head for a temp sensor. You can use your pigtail from the OBD II harness and solder/crimp them together using some research that Braap has done on the topic. The BMW V8s are also a great choice but the aftermarket is VERY expensive... as it is for the inliners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The BMW V8s are also a great choice but the aftermarket is VERY expensive... as it is for the inliners. At least an aftermarket exists for BMW! Ahahahahah...hahaha...hahah...ha...ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh And now I'm depressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzary3233 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 heh, price what it costs to do ANYTHING with that motor over an OBDI swap... CAms = $1500 or better Plus a tuner who can tune it via chip burning or you spend more on an aftermaret standalone. The Racers Market is starting to get into a tunable DME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I mean, that doesn't sound too bad to me at the moment. I've completely removed the CIS and am starting work on a standalone before I even get the chance to start the motor! And parts may be pricey but 1500 for a pair of cams doesn't seem too horrible to me at the moment. The only two games for me in town are dbilas and MKB, both of which want more for a single bump stick than crower wants to weld, hardface, and re-grind to any specs for both cams. I dunno, I'm envious of the aftermarket following that BMW has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzary3233 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) It's funny that we have completely different views of the BMW motor... I feel like it's restrictive in terms of aftermarket, and you feel it's Heaven. I can go to any speed shop and buy parts for the GenIII motor and get it tuned anywhere. I swapped in an GenIII motor and COULD have it running for the price of a good condition S50 pull out with transmission. ($3000 or more)I'm being way more picky and overthinking the project so obviously that figure is bunk. Alas.... This is a BMW Love thread... not hate thread. The S50/S52 is a very stout motor in stock form. When it gets "tuned" or built they tend to have issues. I LOVE stock BMW motors. Edited September 29, 2010 by Pzary3233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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