HS30-H

Nothing much new under the sun is there? Photo ( taken in late 1972 ) shows an R200 from a Nissan 'Works' 240Z rally car:

Whoever told you that the car was made in 1976 is not worth listening to. It looks to have all the attributes and equipment of a typical UK-market HS30. The website you linked to also has some bad information, but I wouldn't let that put you off if the price of the car matches with the condition you expect for that price.

You should be able to date the body fairly easily once you know a few of the tell-tale detail differences' date=' but before we get into specifics - why are you asking about "body swaps"? Do you actually [i']suspect[/i] something? Bear in mind that you are asking these questions on a forum that - generally speaking - knows very little about the peculiarities of the UK-market models. Hence you will tend to get answers like this: ........which is correct for the USA market, but not the UK market. The 'RS30' 260Z was sold in the UK up to the introduction of the S130-series '280ZX' in 1978, and never shared the USA-market model-specific details of the '280Z'. You can actually learn a real lot about your car by cross-referencing the manufacturing / quality control dates of the components. A 'Frankenstein' car will soon be discovered if you look closely. But, as I said, why would you suspect that your VIN and the rest of the car don't belong together? Do you suspect something? And what is the VIN number, anyway?

The 'Search' function won't help you much unless you spell 'Watanabe' correctly. I suggest you start at the 'R.S.Watanabe' website: http://www.rs-watanabe.co.jp/ .....and this page specifically gives fitment information for the S30/S31-series Z both with and without ZG-type Overfenders: http://www.rs-watanabe.co.jp/matching/nissan.htm Should be some interesting and informative data for you there. Good luck.

First of all, who said anything about Tokyo? ( only you I think ). Secondly, the car pictured is a highway pursuit vehicle - not an urban area patrol car ( which usually do not have the insect deflectors ). It is a specialist car for a specialist job on special roads.

No, sorry. Hasn't been available from Nissan in Japan since around 1976 either......... That's an insect deflector. Many of the Japanese highway pursuit vehicles use them to this day. Here's one on a Z32 from a few years back:

The Fairlady Z432 ( PS30 ) had the same type of 'splash pan' as the other models that were coming off the production line at the same time. It was the Fairlady Z432-R ( PS30-SB ) that had the full engine / trans belly panel in FRP, which attached to the front valance and covered the whole of the underside of the engine bay. This part was later sold as a Sports Option part by 'Nissan Sport Service' for the S30 / PS30 / HS30 / HLS30 etc. Part number 99090-N3075 UNDER GUARD KIT-FR.

Tony, Get the data straight from the horse's mouth. They have a UK operation that will hopefully save you from having to speak German: KK&K Turbo UK Ltd. Turbo House, 7 Regent Park Park Farm Industrial Estate, Booth Drive Wellingborough, Northants NN8 6GR United Kingdom Tel: (01933) 671480 Fax: (01933) 671470 "KK&K Turbo UK is the UK office of the KK&K Group of companies, including AG KK&K Frankenthal, PGW-Turbo Leipzig, TLT-Turbo Zweibruecken and HV-Turbo Helsingor." They also have a website for their German base: http://www.agkkk.de I would have thought a call to the UK office would put you in touch with "a man who can"..........? Good luck.

No, that's not accurate at all. I think you need to check the source of your information. 77 BLOWN Z, If your car has the date stamp you describe ( 9/70 ) on the door jamb tag, then it won't be too far wrong; at the most a month 'out' from the actual date it rolled off the assembly line. Don't worry about having only four digits in your body serial number after the 'HLS30' prefix. It sounds correct and ties in with the door jamb tag stamp data. Nissan increased the number of digits in the body serial numbers when they started running out of numbers. It would appear that they sold rather more cars than they expected they were going to when they first started the body serial sequence back in mid 1969........

You don't seem to have noticed that the Yahoo auction of the S20 engine by Rubber Soul has a starting value of ( roughly the equivalent of ) $17k, and that nobody has bid on it yet. This may be because it is somewhat overpriced in the current market, and Rubber Soul are simply doing a little 'fishing'. I actually read quite a lot between the lines in your first post, and got the impression that you were being scornful of anybody who would want to own such a thing ( regardless of its price ), and you even seemed to be going so far as to damn their possible justification of it too. That was my impression. I didn't have you down as a philistine until then. For what its worth, I have two S20 engines, and the combined costs of purchase, transport, rebuild ( inc. some performance upgrades ) for them will be way below what this auction starts at. So maybe I have a slightly improved bang-for-buck ratio, or just maybe taking an optimistic internet auction start price as gospel is a little bit zcar.com of you? If he does, I would recommend to him that he does not bother to go into the pits at the Monterey Historics........ ( but I suspect he actually has good taste - so it hopefully won't be a problem ). "Revelling in the marvel" I'll leave up to others who might be of that persuasion. In the meantime I will enjoy the engineering and quality of the S20, as well as its flavour - which means something to me. Learning is a two-way street I think. If you pay attention to some of my posts even you might learn something that you were happy to know. Whoah there. Don't pin that one on me here. Not justified. I simply implied that it was more than likely not a case of re-engineering the car for the pure sake of it. If my hunch is correct ( and I know a little about racing in the Sixties and Seventies ) then the GTO probably got fitted with the SBC for reasons of pocket-book limitations rather than anything else. It happened over here ( in England ) too, and there were plenty of 'specials' and low-volume racers such as Listers, Lolas and Chevrons that used American V8 engines for good reason. Why bother to play the "unsophisticated American" implication on me? I don't deserve having that thrown at me. You might notice me disagreeing with people who believe that the USA is the hub of the known universe, but that's just part of a bigger disregard I have for philistinism and short-sightedness, and doesn't mean what you imply it means. Make sure you understand that. Oh, and if that particular Ferrari GTO still exists today, I'll bet that it hasn't got an SBC in it any more - for purely economic reasons of another kind. Now that's something that I can relate to..... "Bastardize" is your quote, not mine. I don't give a damn what people do with their cars. But when they think that they are cleverer or smarter than the designers and engineers who originally worked on these cars it makes me laugh. Not only do they not know what fiscal restraints, regulatory constrictions and 'design concessions' were forced on the engineers and designers of the time, they are also working with the best part of 40 years of hindsight and improved technology on their side. When people do this and pay no heed to history, then I feel that they are living under a misconception. These cars wouldn't even have got made and sold in the Export market in the first place unless huge concessions to 'ideals' had been made. If anybody thinks they are 'cleverer' than Nissan's engineers because they can 'improve' the bump-steer characteristics of the front suspension of an S30-series Z then they need their head tested. I see, read and hear people both dismissing the S20 engine and talking about it with hushed reverence like it is a holy relic - and both sides seem to know very little about it. Most have never even clapped eyes on one. I'm enthusiastic about the S20 but also realistic about its performance. I don't like having the piss taken out of me for wanting to own and use one. That's where I'm coming from.

Wasn't your first post on the thread a veiled 'judgement' on anybody who might find an S20 engine desirable? I don't think I misread the sarcasm there. I'm building what some might call a 'Hybrid Z' ( you may not agree though ), and I also own another very rare car which happens to feature a long list of modifications. Most of those modifications are based around a 'period correct' theme ( my own personal focus ) and I certainly do not class myself as a 'Purist' or a 'Collector' ( which incidentally seem to be dirty words on this forum ). If you want to tell me that I don't belong on this forum, then you might need to start looking around you a little as I don't think I'm alone. Does anybody ever tell you that YOU might be on the wrong forum when you post on classiczcars.com? I certainly hope not. I also want to point out that this thread is in the 'Non Tech Board', which begs the question as to exactly what the 'Non Tech Board' exists for ( ? ). I'm willing to bet that the Chevy 350 installation was a case of Force Majeure rather than making it 'better'. More like he ran into line-of-supply and cost issues, and you'd probably think it churlish of me to wonder if he actually just felt more comfortable with KFC than Lobster Thermidore? If he was "improving what needed improving" then I presume he got rid of that cart-sprung rear end too? I don't think there's any harm in knowing ( and caring ) a little bit about the history of these cars on a forum like hybridz.org. It seems to me that over the last few years there has been an increasing interest in subjects such as the more unusual Japanese home-market models and the period Japanese race cars, and I've seen this manifested on hybridz.org more and more lately. Do you want to dismiss this interest out of hand because it might be seen as some new strain of 'Purism'? Again, I hope not.

I think your first post on the thread was proof of the pudding for me. Bit of a cheap shot at the engine and those who might like to own one, in my opinion. Even me? I tell people all the time that these engines are not all about horsepower. If you look at it purely from a perspective of horsepower figures, you are missing the point by a mile. Do you ever go to 'Historic' race meetings ( rhetorical question ) and tell the owners of Ferrari GTOs, Dobra Daytona Coupes and Porsche 917s that their cars "suck balls" in a "cost vs hp analysis"? Get my point?

Ask slownrusty why he posted the S20 engine auction then.

So am I.

Because "faster" is always much "better" than "slower", right? By the way, slownrusty - I see NO bids and FOUR days to go on the auction. And wouldn't fit in an LHD version properly. It is also not "Brand New"......

Use the SEARCH function, and you'll come up with plenty of hits - like these for example: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=76847&highlight=TC24-B1 http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=93725&page=2&pp=25&highlight=TC24-B1 http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=95486&highlight=TC24-B1

That's my photo. First shown on this site in relation to the subject of the O.S. GIKEN TC24-B1. What's the point of you putting it in your area of the albums section if you can't tell anyone about where and when the photo was taken, what the spec of the car / engine was and who built it?

Caveat Emptor. More information on this thread: http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?p=153359#post153359

Nissan Fairlady Z432 ( PS30 ) and Fairlady Z432-R ( PS30-SB ) from 1969 to 1972 came with the 'R192' in 4.44 ratio and 2-pinion clutch LSD. Same diff ( with different rear cover ) was also fitted to the PGC10 and KPGC10 Skyline GT-R in the same period. 'R192' was exactly the same as the 'R190' offered by Nissan Motorsports in the USA' date=' but was 2-pinion instead of 4. A 4-pinion version was available as a 'Sports Option' part in Japan, in ratios of 4.625, 4.875 & 5.125, but it was [i']still[/i] called 'R192'. 1973 Z432 and Z432-R models came with the R200 in 4.375 ratio, and a 4-pinion clutch LSD. This was also fitted to the KPGC110 Skyline GT-R. Again, 'Sports Option' ratios were available - this time 3.7, 3.9, 4.1, 4.375, 4.625, 4.875 and 5.143:1. Alan T.

You missed out the 'P' prefix on the VIN - which is the very thing that denotes the S20 engine. Its a KPGC10.........

They say that travel expands the mind. Possibly not in your case, though.

Oh dear. What a mess. The Fairlady Z432 and Fairlady Z432-R both came with the 'R192' diff ( plate-type LSD equipped ) from the Factory, until early 1973 - when the Fairlady Z432 model received the R200 ( also plate-type LSD equipped ). The 'R192' was known as the 'R190' when sold by Datsun Competition in the USA. The R200 did indeed exist well before 1975...... The 'Skyline GT' was fitted with the L20A engine. You are getting confused between the GT and the GT-R models. The PGC10, KPGC10 and KPGC110 models were the only Skylines to be fitted with the S20 engine. Production S20 engines that were sold to the general public were only ever fitted with three 40PHH Mikuni carburettors. Hopefully this will now show up in the SEARCH function when you next use it......

Just about all of them, surely? American "Zee" also has a couple of letters in its phonetic pronuniciation that you can't see, doesn't it? How about B = "Bee", C = "See", D = "Dee", F = "Eff", G = "Gee", H = "Aitch", I = "Eye", J = "Jay" .............. X = "Ex", Y = "Why"...... What's the alternative? "Aaaaa", "Bbbbb", "Ccccc", "Mmmm", "Nnnn".... "Zzzzz" etc? Alan T. ( "Tee")