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LoL Evan..
I am NOT using a Nissan Maxima Diesal intake manifold...
I will have a very similar design to the Diesal intake. I will be using my own flange, runners, and throttle bodies for this project. In order for my plenum to fit my manifold.. I need to flip the plenum ontop of the runners... just like the Maxima Diesal design.
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im sorry guys..
Ok .. I decided to build a Nissan Maxima Diesal style intake due to my space restrictions..
Which looks like that above.
So what I am deciding to do is use my straight runners and throttle bodies, then flip the runners around and use my 4" plenum =)
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Ok.. im trying to figure out the best way to use 180 degree curved runners..
I am debating between silicone and aluminum..
a 180 degree bent 2" o.d. aluminum pipe is $35 a pop! and I need 6 of them! ugh! http://www.fortune3.com/Slomo/180_Degree_Bends-Vibrant_2_O_D_Aluminum_U_Bend_Polished_1.html
another option is a 180 degree silicone elbow which is also around $35 ..
Soo thats another $200 for this project and this design! UGH!
Any other suggestions?!
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dude.. how freakn similar are our cars?! jeesh man.
I have a 260 duration cam and .488/.488 lift. man oh man
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Well..
I've had ONE month to work on this with limited time and money lol.
Soo.. im a nervous wreck.. this has to be done by saturday.. ive already invested too much money into this lol.
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Im all over the place.. i decided to scrap the crappy box plenum.. use a 4" round pipe which I welded back together.. and make a setup similar to the Maxima Diesal intake.. yeh there wil be a bend but who gives a hoot
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Well.. I spent $20 on a 5 foot length of 4" tubing... for some stupid reason. and already cut the piping and had it set up for the plenum I wanted. Then I measured it all and realized i made a big big boo boo
Id prefer not to buy more materials.. I will just weld up my own square plenum. =(
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alright...
im going w a 3x4 plenum. dont have much of a choice =(
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well im an idiot.. and I made the runners too long. and because I cut the pipes at angles.. if I cut them any shorter.. my spacing will be wayyy off.
Soo for my plenum.. I have a 4" wide base.. and a 4" diameter pipe.. I cut the pipe in half.. so its a D shape plenum.
But thats 2" in height..
Is this plenum too small?! im reallly worried about the volume.
I calculated the following.. volume = 3.14 x R (squared) x h
Soo.. a 4" pipe.. has a 2" radius.. which is around 301.59 cubic inches at 2 feet long.
Cut that in half because I cut the pipe in half is 150 cubic inches!!
the stock setup.. is a 2.5"x2.5" style plenum.. soo after the thickness of the wall.. i would say 2.25" by 2.25".
Volume = L x W x H
The stock intake at lets say 2' feet long.. is 121 cubic inches!!
Soo my plenum has 30 cubic inches more volume then stock?! ahh ♥♥♥♥ is this too small?!
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not one link on that inconel site works..
its only one fancy picture on that site
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Problem solved.. bad intake/exhaust gasket...
The aluminum intake and cast iron exhaust manifold heated differently.. some of my bolts were loose.. once the car hit operating temp.. the gasket vibrated and whistled or goose coughed LoL
Anyway.. all fixed. The car actually ran better with a vacuum leak believe it or not.. or maybe it just sounded loud.. which gave a false sense.
Thanks guys!!
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since you mentioned my thread... and my car is a daily driver..
I dont have any overheating issues.. the car runs cooler then it did before..
as long as you have a fan you should be perfectly fine.
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the orange high temp RTV stuff is amazing..
a buddy used it on his turbocharger JET engine.. which was incredibly hot.. glowing red.. and the stuff sealed perfectly. we had to break the damn thing w a hammer to get it loose.. pretty much glued it in
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i changed my gaskets yesterday.. i need it to warm up to operating temp to test her...
ill see if this fixes it.
the old intake/exhaust gasket was BAD BAD BAD. probably the #1 reason
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Ok I recalculated..
from the center of the intake valve.. to the throttle boddy.. is 11.2" inches.
With my ID (remeasured its 1.4" not 1.375) and my length.. I will hit the 5th intake pulse, with a peak torque of 5350 RPM!
Hmm.. works out perfect since the L series runs out of breath at 5,000 RPM...
so hopefully this manifold will increase the airflow and extend the power range =)
I wont be cutting the runners at this time.. how about a second opinion?!
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Yes I know.. =)
thank you for the info though!!
My runners from the flange out is 6.75".. now I made them long in case I wanted to adjust em.. I just lay it out on a saw and trim them down and finalize what I like the best.
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trick done to stock cam? wtf is that.. regrind?
and what is he doing to adjust the timing with that motor?!
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I used a 14" chop saw yesterday with a blade designed for cutting only aluminum.. OMG its amazing. Too bad the price range is $201 for this blade.
But worth every penny. wow. saves sooo much time and amazingly clean cuts w no de-burr necessary
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After using a handy dandy calculator.. I determined that with my camshaft.. w a 260 duration.. and the ID of 1.375".. and a desired peak torque at 5,000 RPM.. The runner should be about 6.39" long. This length will allow the intake waves to hit their 9th pulse. To choose every 8th pulse.. the pipe should be 7.275" long.
Nascar uses the 3rd intake pulse.. If I wanted to use the 3rd pulse.. I would be looking at a length of around 20" inches!!
this is the link to the calculator!
http://www.velocity-of-sound.com/velocity_of_sound/calculator3.htm
The pics are from my mock up stage. I believe the runners are 6.5" long right now. I measured 16" inches from Cyl 1 to the strut tower. and 14" from Cyl 6 to the heat shield. My pressure plenum will be interesting to build lol. I only need to weld up Cyl. 3 and Cyl 4 now.. then the manifold will be complete. then turbo time!
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video has been deleted =(
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Well I do have 440cc injectors right now..
my plan was to use the secondary injectors for..methanol...*cough*
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Olie how you doing on your ITB setup?!
How were you planning on attaching the runners to the throttle bodies?! I was going to use a silicone coupler.. dont have enough time to weld up a flange and o-ring it.
I wanted to run supplemental injectors.. but due to my spacing.. the stock GSXR throttle body fuel rail wont fit.. so i would need to machine a new one.
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I tried using a 14" chop saw at my schools shop.. and apparently the blade is not rated for aluminum or porous material.. because it clogs up the blade and can cause failure.
I hate using band saws.. lol
Welding Class - Final Project - L Intake Manifold
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I already welded the runners to the flange.
I am going to weld in the velocity stacks in a few hours to my 4" plenum.
I found an awesome 2" I.D. 180 degree fuel filler hose for $15 a piece at CarQuest!! So I can either utilize 6 - 180 bends or I can cut each piece in half and make 2 - 90 bends out of each one.
MUCH cheaper then the $35 a piece silicone or aluminum u-bend.
Cheapest option I found was $7 ...90 degree elbows in aluminum from Global Tech Engineering recommended from Austin.. I would buy those then a silicone coupler which is about the same price as the full u-bend itself!
yes fuel filler hose is UGLY... i would prefer aluminum. but damn this manifold is getting pricey lol.
$156 for 2 sets of throttle bodies shipped
$80 for the aluminum sheet, 4" aluminum pipe, 1.625" runners
$135 for the intake flange shipped
$116 for the aluminum velocity stacks shipped
Soo total is $487.. which is a bit pricey (im thinking lonewolf's intake now lol) .. and then I need possibly an additional $100 in rubber couplers/bends.
Still cheaper then having a shop weld up one.. or buying other ITB setups.. and I have my own plenum for the turbo and experience gained!