PMC raceengines Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 Well thats a good one what type and spec do you wont , race, streat drag with all water mods i need more info to help you , a all out race head with 360hp flow with cam and springs big valves and all the good stuff is $ 5500 with flow sheets ready to bolt on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvemfast Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 That money will cop a bagging from the US guys. They'll call you a rip off and say you can buy a whole Rebello motor for not much more. What you need to understand is that things cost more in Australia. That's just how it is. We are a long way from the States, so shipping can kill you. We don't have as big a market, so production costs for parts are higher. Our quality is better :oP And we get paid more. So it's more relative anyway. But, these PMC heads are becoming more common down here. And seem to be putting out the highest figures even more so now Les is on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 "That money will cop a bagging from the US guys. They'll call you a rip off and say you can buy a whole Rebello motor for not much more." Thanks for the insulting generality, but with all due respect: "Stuff It!" While it MAY be true you can get a Rebello Engine Complete for 'not much more'... I don't see how it's invalid to state that fact. All it does is bring up an ignorant hypothetical that has ALREADY been discussed on this thread from the beginning. Costs of stuff in Japan would likely get a bagging from the blokes in Australia, things just cost more there, it's a fact. They have a big market, but also don't begrudge a man his living as a specialist. And they get paid less, or more. It really is irrelevant. If I want 360HP, I'll turbo a stock block and not look back...pocketing considerable change in the process. If you have a specification to meet, you pay to have it met. PERIOD! Doesn't matter where you're from. When's the last time you guys got quotes on recasting heads? 35,000 Euros. Seems like $5,500 is pretty cheap when you consider the alternatives available to serious admirers of the marque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvemfast Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Point being Tony, as you stated, If you have a specification to meet, you pay to have it met. PERIOD! Doesn't matter where you're from. It was just getting in early, before the usual banter started. We are just jelous down here on the pricing and availability you guys have! How much can you buy a strong Rebello L30 for? But then how much to ship it over here? Its good to see that there are guys prepared to get local talent to do these builds here. The main reason we don't just go turbo or RB, is to push the n/a cars to the limits without changing classes for our racing. Sorry for the off topic Peter. Is there any more progress with the NC34 twin cam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 That money will cop a bagging from the US guys. They'll call you a rip off and say you can buy a whole Rebello motor for not much more. What you need to understand is that things cost more in Australia. That's just how it is. Funny, I thought for someone guaranteeing 360hp out of a head that $5500 seems right on the market, or not far off. At those levels you're talking about welding chambers, possibly welding intake ports to raise them up, and who knows what other goodies to get there. Point being, I've seen what $2-3k gets you here in the states and it's certainly not going to get you a full all out race head. It'll get you a really hot street motor, or a mild race motor, but if you're looking for every ounce, that's chump change. As tony pointed out though, go to japan if you really want to spend money, or feel like you have cash burning a hole in your pocket. Everything is all perspective. There's a lot of reasons things cost different amounts around the world. We would all do best to not get offended at these differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC raceengines Posted May 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) WELL i think your wrong thinking that 5500 is lots Simon . if you wont top work done it cost money and it takes so much time to set a race head up ,, i work hard to make the best heads and motors in australia . Theres a old saying you get what you pay for , and i only work for people that wont the best and i work dam hard to keep them happy . yer there are people that think its a lot but there not asking for a race head , sorry for the rant pmc some pics of a hand ported e88 rally motor that made 300hp with 10.8 comp Edited May 12, 2012 by PMC raceengines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 I would agree 100%: you get what you pay for! This stuff takes time, and parts aren't cheap. The going rate out of electromotive in the early 80's for a competition prepped L24 head was around $3500. That was 1980's dollars, take a quick trip to the CPI Inflation Calculator, and retire the argument that pricing has changed. If anything it's come DOWN SLIGHTLY!!! Long and short of it is if you are actually a real competitor and not a casual (or even serious STREET) enthusiast, the pricing actually becomes moot. If its what you need to win, and if you want to win, you GET IT. They have a name for people who "bag" about the costs without ever buying the part: "LOSERS" ! In more polite terms: "Podium Places 2, & 3, followed by the rest of the field"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 And just in case you cant find that inflation calculator, that $3500 Race Prepped L24 Head from Electramotive would run you $8320 in 2012 dollars. So yeah, due to CNC, rapid prototyping, and computer technology making equipment cheaper to do better machining, it's CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER TODAY to get a full-on competition prepped head than it was "back in the day"! $5,500 would be considered cheap. Anybody who doesn't thin so should well weigh the facts set forth in this particular post. I know the guy with the comp prepped head, and saw the invoice. To this day it sits, preserved in his garage. Perhaps when he dies, I'll get it... But it actually cost $3500 in 1982 to have that work done. Consider well the wisdom of your elders, "they were there" and might have a different perspective than youngsters with no interest in history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelix112 Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 I agree with everything you said Tony, with the exception of that last line, which went into my brain sounding like "Bah humbug!". I would also like to point out that this thread is very teasing: It aludes to an intriguing subject of RB26-head-on-L, and yet, nothing much about that recently. I get Peter is running a business, but I do wish whoever/whatever was financing that build would pull their finger out and get it done. I wanna hear/see that. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvemfast Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Well, at least I've proven that there are guys willing to spend the coin on good bits. Which was actually my goal, as I have a PMC L30 myself. But I'm with Helix. This build should have its own thread and get back on topic of the RB26 head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Helix, your interpretation is probably a much tamer version than what i was conveying. Scrooge was a man of means and standing within his community and decorum dictated his speech. We wild colonials, suitably freed from Pom strictures of clothing and speech are prone to a much more colourful and salty turn of phrase! I personally own no black stockings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC raceengines Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 THANK god you dont own black stockings ... your legs are not sexy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC raceengines Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Sorry Tony For what its worth i like Tony and his posts and have had many PM with him and hope he posts on the topic THANKS PMC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Thanx Mods! Don't know where that was coming from... Maybe see you in a couple of weeks Peter! One night layover in Sydney between Noumea and LAX. I better check my ETA for Oz, I think it ran out in March! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC raceengines Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Just playing with the idear of chain drive like the L4S we do just to make it diffrent Edited June 24, 2012 by PMC raceengines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Greek Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Just playing with the idear of chain drive like the L4S we do just to make it diffrent Wow, Peter, that is some impressive engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Is that a KA head on an L4? Did you end up finding the 18 tooth gear that almost fits on the crank snout or did you make your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPPY Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 tI like that tensioner design alot. I have been toying wiht the idea of making a roller tensioner similar to the kameari design. What did you construct the slack side back out of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB26powered74zcar Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Awesome workmanship!! What head/block combo is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC raceengines Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hi all this one is L18 BUT ITS 2.3L with a KA24 head We make the crank and crank gear , the tenchener is a L28 type that we feed oil to the slack side is SR 20 , we drill and tap the block to fit it, there is lots of work in there ... This engine makes 300hp on the engine dyno and we now make a 2.6L from a z24 block that is a real torque monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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