vertebraille Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Hey Guys, I've been tossing around the idea of modifying and installing an entire Cobra 8.8 IRS subframe in my 280z. I've taken a few rudimentry measurments for the project, and it appears that the overall track width only increases by about six inches. whille the overall depth of the assembly is about an inch "taller" than the stock 280z rear setup. Im thinking that with some large flares and a fair amount of offset that the tires would fit with out any issues. As far as the subframe bolt up, I was thinking to shorten the mounting "ears," for lack of a better term, and fabricate corosponding hard points on the car for the bushings. Sure it weighs more, but with a good set of halfshafts its damn near bulletproof and, I think, fully capable of handling anything my limited budget and an LS2 can throw at it. I don't have any pictures right now as I was using a friends IRS assy and we're now in two different states. I've searched for this and the best thing I've found was modifying the stock rear to accept the 8.8 center section. Thoughts? Questions? Comments? Concerns? Anything would be appreciated. R/ Murph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertebraille Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 Seriously? I would have expected some interest in this subject. At the very least, some flaming responses as to the functionality/brokea**ness of the Ford 8.8 rear. I'm going to slog ahead with this, and see if I can pick one of these up in my area(Great Lakes, Il) for a reasonable amount of money. I will then attempt to install it without reducing it to so many metal shavings on the garage floor. -Murph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger280zx Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 "but with a good set of halfshafts its damn near bulletproof and, I think, fully capable of handling anything my limited budget and an LS2 can throw at it"-Same goes for the R200 that is in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertebraille Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 "but with a good set of halfshafts its damn near bulletproof and, I think, fully capable of handling anything my limited budget and an LS2 can throw at it"-Same goes for the R200 that is in there. It's a lot easier to find new carriers and change ratios with the 8.8 though IMO. I also got the car as a shell, and therefor, lack an existing rear to work with. Hence my decision to go a different route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike kZ Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Take pics, and show us the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebekahsZ Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Go for it. Too much work for me to take on, but I'm glad you are game for it. If the project gets out of hand, you can always just put a straight axle in it. Are you planning on narrowing the rearend or just letting the tires hang out? If my R200s fail to hold up, after using up my spare parts, I'll be going to a narrowed straight axle like a 9-inch or 8.8. Less moving (articulating) parts equals greater durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hopefully it can deal with more than the R200, as the selection of diff ratios and LSD should be quite good. I loved it when Scottie put the C5 vette rear subframe in his Z, that turned out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelsonian Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hey Murph, I'm one who always enjoys seeing what others come up with for parts swapping and sharing, and would not discourage your plans, however. As stated above the difference of weight advantage of the r200 and near bullet proof cv axles are available from the Driveshaft shop. I bought the so far only set of 280zxt dimensions, coppied by the driveshaft shop and according to them 900hp proof. Another member here with a turboed chevy v8 and drag built 240z went through the process of having these made by the Driveshaft shop, (available for others to purchase) and was using Modern motorsports billet stub axles, which I also scooped up from him. I'm not sure how much the route you are planning on going will be or if that is even an issue for you, with just wanting to do something different. Either way if you do proceed, keep us all posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertebraille Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 Absolutely, this is going to be a slow project, but I will try to document and report as I go along. There's a lot of those little " while I'm at it's" though. However, I've pretty much decided that the 8.8 subframe will be unique and a great weekend killer to take on. As far as narrowing the rear end, I may do that at a later date but for now I'd like to try and fit the whole original unit in there. If it turns out to be impossible then I'll look into tackling the fabrication of entirely new upper and lower control arms, the plethora of odds and ends that will need and getting custom half shafts made. -Murph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six_Shooter Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I plan to install a Ford 8.8 IRS in my 240, I have one sitting in my garage in parts right now, and another (that will be going under my GF's '65 Mustang), sitting at a friend's storage barn right now. I'll deal with the extra fabrication, to spend less than $300 on an LSD, wider selection of gears, which are easy to come by, and less parts overall between the diff and the wheel, making for possibly stronger assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzydicerule Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 i believe someone on Stancewerks is doing this swap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENZA PARI Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 i believe someone on Stancewerks is doing this swap I'm guessing that would be me... I picked up my Cobra rear end this spring, and will be incorporating it into the new frame. IMAG0089 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr IMAG0077 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr IMAG0094 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr IMAG0097 by SENZA PARI #1, on Flickr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNNY Z Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Needs more tire Gonna be keeping an eye on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertebraille Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 Holy Balogna Batman! I agree, more tire is needed. I'm a little envious of how nice that rear end looks... I just tossed the one I had, it was trash('99 model that was rusted almost completely out and when I opened the chunk up, there was so much metal flake I couldnt find the gears). I'm saving up to get a better specimen. I'm not planning to go with the full frame rebuild like that. If I had the time, and the Navy actually payed decent, I would do exactly that though. As it is I think im going to graft some "rails" under the car and tie them into the subframe and the tube front I'm currently attempting not to ruin. -Murph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebekahsZ Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I am (or was) mostly foaming at the mouth over that beautiful chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8dats Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Keep us updated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I see a lot of upside on this... Gear selection, better LSD available support from the aftermarket, if converting the whole axle setup, you won't need to buy the 5 lug swap parts. Those of you touting the R200 are missing all of the above. Sure it's strong. Sure it can handle power. It's NOT very versatile and to make it strong and convert it to 5 lug for better brake size/options, you'll spend a small fortune. I think I've got over $4K in my Q45 conversion/brake setup. I'll be following this thread as well as Senza Pari's build. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I used to be a tech for ford dealers so I know the parts well.I was thinking of another way to attack this problem.the 2000- ford explorers had irs rear axle with 8.8 diff.Build new macpherson strut housing/bearing carrier that attaches to the lower control arms. Use the new modular wheel bearings-like the mustang irs rear ,explorer.the modular wheel bearings will bolt to a flat steel plate.A company like mosier can build the correct length axle shafts to use the ford cv joints.Building new mac strut housings would allow you to use penske or king shocks that could be custom valved.The explorer 8.8 diff will bolt to a z moustache bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENZA PARI Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I hope to have my IRS apart and measured using our Romer arm. I'll import all of the data into SolidWorks and recreate the frame in 3D. If anyone needs or wants any specific measurements I'd be happy to get them for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I hate to be the guy that rains on the parade, but the geometry on these setups are not that great. The subframes were designed to mount in place of the four link setup on the V6 and GT chassis. If you can find a Kenny Brown modified subframe, it may help, but you have to run his aftermarket arms which are expensive and not made all that well. The 8.8 is pretty indestructible and has a great selection of diffs available, but the axles can sometimes leave something to be desired. I believe it has a lot to do with play in the CV joints from the factory. Some are better than others, and the aftermarket selection seems to have the same or worse issues. Make sure to get a later 03/04 IRS setup with the 31 spline differential inputs as opposed to the earlier 28 spline. They are much stronger. The later setups also have a much stronger cross member. My other big issue with the Ford setup is the single shear damper (shock) mounts. It's fine if you leave the factory coil spring setup, but its a problem if you switch to a coil over. That bolt is not designed to transfer the loads that are originally handled by the spring on the A-arm. Additionally, if you're dead set on doing this, replace the bushings and other parts with something worth the time. Check this guy out: Full Tilt Boogie Racing or Maximum Motorsports IRS There are also a lot of damper options with my favorite being the KW Variant 3's that retain the factory spring location and add an oval track style spring perch adjustment in the spring bucket. Here's a decent article written by the guy who owns Full Tilt Boogie Racing: IRS Tech Article Edited July 21, 2012 by Moridin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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