DatsunBoy77 Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 OK, first off because of the swap there is little room to get to the bolt holding on the hamonic balancer to turn the crank, so i have been trying to crank the car until i hit TDC. Got it yesterday but messed up and i cant get it today after a half hour of trying. Anyone know what size socket that it and what is the best way to get it to tdc. The repair manual just says turn the crank to TDC, but i have no room to even stick my hand in there to even feel the nut (hmmm sounds a little bad, huh?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudge Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Hmm, its damn big thats for sure, it may be 1 1/8" (I have mostly American stuff), I can try tonight on my F54 but its a turbo car, I am guessing they will be the same though. That would be 28.575mm (28/29 who knows). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted April 30, 2003 Author Share Posted April 30, 2003 Well, i hope to god i can find that socket. Good thing i work at an auto parts store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 27mm is the proper socket, but 1-1/8" is just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 If the plugs are out, you should be able to use one of the accessory belts to turn the crank....tighten the belt, then turn by hand! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted April 30, 2003 Author Share Posted April 30, 2003 Actually, 1 1/16 was the perfect size. I managed to manually crank it just a smudge over 0 so i just backed it up a inch or two. Got everything straightened out but think i may have fouled out the plugs cranking it till it got at TDC. Didnt want to really run, so i will throw in the new plugs i hae bee saving and sees what is sappening. I got to be at work at four so not much time left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudge Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 26.9875mm, close enough to 27mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 Ok, so today i threw in some new plugs and it wouldnt crank over. Checked the crank and put it to TDC, pulled off the dizzy cap and noticed that the rotor looks like it may be a tooth off of where it should be. It looks like it is a notch back towards the number five plug. This is a pain in the arse, getting it to move one tooth. I thought it was dead on last night. Would it being off that one tooth keep it from starting. Before i did this it would start, but only run up to 10 deg, so i know it had to run if the shaft was off by some teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudge Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 It could, because if there are only say 12 teeth thats 30º! Just as an example. It may not run if its off by as much as say 10º or so, dunno. On my F54 its impossible to put on incorrectly, because there is an obstruction which guides it in, or else it wont go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 ok, now i have it so the rotor is exactly at the no.1 spark plug wire on the dizzy cap. Car still wont start though. It ran before it did this. I would have done some more checking but damn thunderstorms. I wonder if the belt being justa tad bit loose is preventing it from starting. It shouldnt, but i am running out of answers. It just cranks and then once in a while you will hear a pop. Maybe i should try some starting fluid. Oh, well. Cant get at it to tomarrow anyways with the storms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Are you sure that you are on the compression stroke of no.1? you could have the the rotor position 180 degrees off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 That is true, I think. But, can it be when at TDC and the rotor faced at the 1 on the cap? Damn, i think i am just to confused from everything i have been trying to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 3, 2003 Author Share Posted May 3, 2003 Now, i have done confused myself silly. I went out to crank it a couple of mins ago since it stopped raining finally, and I only cranked it for a couple of seconds and it popped right out of the pop-off valve. This souldnt happen. This motor ran very good before this wiring mess in the swap. Then it ran decent but too far retarded. Now that i think it is right it wont start. I am lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 Any type of pop or backfire through the intake usually indicates wires not in the proper location, cam timing off, misaligned rotor position or timing is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 3, 2003 Author Share Posted May 3, 2003 Ive gone over the wire order a couple of times, and they were right. When i put it at TDC and have the distributor in the middle (as in not advanced or retarded), the rotor points to the no.1 labeled on the dizzy cap. Maybe I will give a go at it again tomarrow morning before i go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 Take the no.1 spark plug out when you turn the engine to TDC. You should feel strong air pressure from the plug hole. This will insure that you are on the compression stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 3, 2003 Author Share Posted May 3, 2003 I was trying but i could only turn it from underneath and couldnt reach. Maybe if i remove the carbon canister, i can reach the plug hole. I just couldnt get access to it from the top. To bad i can never get one of my friends to help me. I always seem to end up working on theres but they never seem to be around when i am working. Oh, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 If you did happen to set at TDC on exhaust stroke, then just change your plug wires 180 degrees, or exactly opposite to how you have it now! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatsunBoy77 Posted May 3, 2003 Author Share Posted May 3, 2003 maybe i will try this so i know that is what my problem is. If it is, would i get it to the top dead center withought putting my finger on the spark plug hole considering i cant reach it? I have an idea but i cant seem to get it out right when i write it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop N Wood Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 Pull the valve cover and watch the valves. As you come up on TDC both valves will be closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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