Owen Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I'm worried about my pre-1973 block. It's identical to a 1973 or later, but rules is rules and the casting numbers is what they go by... Time for a turbocharged natural gas engine like the Rinspeed? Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKDGabe Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 or just move out? Nah, we don't want you wackos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 As I've always said, the rest of the country should thank us "normal" Californians for running the asylum here. If you start pissing us off, we'll just open the gates and let them loose. Then they're YOUR problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bastaad525 Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Tim240z - At the bottom of that first link "Amended Ch. 957, Stats. 1975. Effective January 1, 1976" that's pretty old... why the sudden interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bastaad525 Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 And about that second thread... how the hell would that apply to cars older than ... what '75 is the cuttoff now isn't it? If we're not required to smog our cars regularly, but then I'm driving aroung tripping these smog sensors... that doesn't make sense that they will suddenly require me to smog my car? I do agree that CA sux though... always has always will, and yet people just keep on moving here in droves making it more crowded and expensive and making it suck even more... one day it will just implode from too much mass and turn into a black hole... oh wait maybe it already has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Bryan, I've been reading other links from the State website, and the CA vehicle code updates (I'll have to try to find them again and post them), but some were as recent as Feb. 2004. Here is the basis: DMV has received a huge amount of funding for this endeavor. They have partnered with CHP to coordinate this "where the rubber meets the road" as it were. Here is what will happen: CHP will set up roadside inspection points Cars will get pulled over (kinda like truck scales, I suppose) If you are in violation of either, failed emissions, or other misc. CA Vehicle Code violations, then the CHP will give you a ticket. The ticket will not be due like a moving violation ticket, but rather, the DMV will add the fine ($500) to your next registration bill. The fine (or fee as the DMV would like to call it) would go in part, or in its entirety, to the CHP to defray their costs. Sounds like funds generation to me, pure and simple!! Tim BTW...vis a vis marker lights: According to the CA vehicle code (at least from some preliminary browsing), vehicles less than 80 inches wide are not required to have markers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB26240Z Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Just speed up, turn ignition off, (don't lock steering) and pass the sensor. That will make it a heck of a clean running car What's next ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
materchan Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 if there is no one near the sensor whats from stopping me at midnight to pulling over and taking a bat to that thing. how do they mount these things? on arches above the road or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 The ones they were using way back when were on a trailer, like one of the speed signs that tells you how fast you are going, but with no display. The one my friend saw repeatedly was red (not sure if that will be a distinguishing feature, probably won't) and was parked on the side of the freeway. There were people manning it, presumably to pull you over and check under the hood if you were in violation. I think he said there was a CHP officer parked right in front of it, but I can't say for sure. This was 10 years and many beers ago... Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave240Z Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Here's something I don't quite understand. How do they calibrate the sensor for the type of car? For example, the allowable emissions for a 1973 Datsun are radically different than those for a 2002 Honda Accord. If you ever go in for a smog check, the engine type and VIN are necessary to determine the allowable limits for your particular year/make/model. For arguments sake, say the Accord is modified and actually puts out emissions close to the Datsun specifications but still passing if it was a Datsun. How does the sensor know the Accord is in violation for it's model year if the emissions are still within legal parameters for a 1973 Datsun? If they setup the sensor to detect for some predetermined limit, the limit would have to be set for the worst case but for what car? If it was for the older cars then many newer cars could be polluting 3X more than they are technically allowed but they wouldn't be cited because their car is still within the older car limit. If, on the other hand the sensor is set to detect polluting newer cars, then every old car would fail even though it is well within it's own vehicle year/make/model requirements. Does all this make sense? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bastaad525 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Here's something I don't quite understand. How do they calibrate the sensor for the type of car? For example' date=' the allowable emissions for a 1973 Datsun are radically different than those for a 2002 Honda Accord. If you ever go in for a smog check, the engine type and VIN are necessary to determine the allowable limits for your particular year/make/model. For arguments sake, say the Accord is modified and actually puts out emissions close to the Datsun specifications but still passing if it was a Datsun. How does the sensor know the Accord is in violation for it's model year if the emissions are still within legal parameters for a 1973 Datsun? If they setup the sensor to detect for some predetermined limit, the limit would have to be set for the worst case but for what car? If it was for the older cars then many newer cars could be polluting 3X more than they are technically allowed but they wouldn't be cited because their car is still within the older car limit. If, on the other hand the sensor is set to detect polluting newer cars, then every old car would fail even though it is well within it's own vehicle year/make/model requirements. Does all this make sense? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote'] That's what I was saying. I mean, there's a good chance a lot of guys driving classic cars are putting out a lot of whatever it is these sensors are looking for... so how does the sensor know what kind of car it is or what standard to hold each passing car to? I doubt it can or does. So a guy in classic car sets off the sensors alarm... then what? He's driving a car that is exempt, but now he will be expected to adhere to some unknown requirement? No way they can start expecting old cars to come anywhere NEAR the low pollution levels of newer cars.... I think I read an article somewhere that the average car made since 2000 pollutes 10x less than an average car from the 90's, and cars from the 90's are 10x less then cars from the 80's.... that's a BIG gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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