Mikelly Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Strotter, I spend many of my weekdays (At least three days each week) at CIA HQ Supporting that agency as a consultant. I can say with a great deal of certainty that the NUMBER ONE GOAL of the current administration is to GET Osama. It is plain and simple... We get OSAMA and Bush wins. PERIOD, Point blank, Done, end of Kerry. Believe me when I say that this is GOAL one for the Bush administration. JMortensen, How about a Coffey/ Kelly ticket? Mike 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinCA Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 I've got a question for all of you. Who would be the perfect president? ME! I should win, because i have no affiliation with anything. I'd fire everyone. abolish the party system. And i would sit in on the whitehouse lawn with a shotgun waiting for small animals to come by that i could shoot and cook up for the homeless. I then would go to every school in america with that same shotgun, and every stupid little piece of *expletive* that didnt want to learn and thought they were god's gift to the world would get the scare of a life time. then they would get sent to a hard labor prison for an undetermined amount of time, so that they could no longer disrupt the education of others. As far as health care goes, everyone gets a tube of super glue and a syringe full of morphine. Then, to mix it up, i would order the invasion of Canada. just because nobody would see it coming. Then i would resign from the presidency and put the canadians in charge. Oh yeah, before that, i would build an armored fleet of caterpillars, and make afghanistan and Iraq the only parking lots visible from space. Talk about good autocrossing space! I'll hire the budweiser donkey as my spokesman. It is going to be a brilliant campaign. Just a note, I dont believe any of that BS ^ . politics are stupid, and solve nada, and i approve that message.... Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zfan Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 The older I get the more I realize that the politicians should all be gathered and tared and feathered. They say were for the poor..sure they are they can't relate. Thats not the problem! If we were all rich nobody would work. Then what! There is know Candidate that is the answer because there is no answer! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strotter Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Mike, if finding Osama is goal number one, perhaps they should have kept that in mind about the time they rolled into Baghdad. I'm sure the CIA is working it, but the rest of the government is not; don't you think we could do a better job hunting this guy down if we had a couple of hundred thousands soldiers freed up to do some digging around? I want to know why most of the 9-11 attackers were Saudis, but we're not rolling into Riyadh. I want to know why the Iranians - a country that is working to create nuclear weapons and have admitted it publicly - have established madrases (funded with Saudi money) that teach nothing but hatred for the West, and the U.S. in particular, but we're ignoring them militarily. Sudan has in the past been a refuge for Osama, but how many soldiers are asking questions in Khartoum? Iraq is very effectively diverting resources, time, and peoples' attention from the real goal - the guys that did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Since everyone seems to agree that there are foreign nationals in Iraq now, I don't think that Iraq is a hindrance to the war on terror. It's like the Tora Bora thing. More guys kept coming from Pakistan, and the American generals were saying "Great! Keep em coming!" Easier for you to come to us for your big ol helping of death than for us to come to you. Obviously less good to fight the battles in a city, but I think it's pretty common consensus that there are Islamic militants in Iraq. Actually, if the government was a business, it would have been in the black until about three years ago... That's not true. Do a little research. Plus, my basic theory was that the government shouldn't be providing a lot of the services it does, but when they do, AND they are horribly expensive and inefficient, then they should return those services to the private sector. The US is once again leading the fight against the Sudan in the UN, and once again the UN is not playing along. I heard last week we backed down some too. Strotter, the problem with your argument is that if we invaded all of the places that are hostile to us and were fomenting terror at the same time we would be WAY overextended, and if the American public can't even take the losses we've had in Iraq there is no way in hell they're going to step up to attack another 10 countries. It's an often heard argument from the left that we're in the wrong place (I don't know your political persuasion) but the unsaid part of the leftist argument is that we shouldn't be in ANY of those places. Kerry said a while back that terrorism is a law enforcement issue. Not in my book. That would be like taking care of a hornets' nest not by attacking the nest, but by carrying a fly swatter and killing them as they land on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RCNSC Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 My favorite thing about Fahrenheit 9/11 are the responses from BUSH supporters. They'll call him a crazy liberal, say his movie is a conspiracy, etc..... YET, never have I heard anyone disprove anything from the movie. I figured ya'll would be workin your asses off to unmask this great "conspiracy". But neither the Bush administration nor republican supporters come out and say "thats a lie" or "Thats not true". I don't agree with all of Michael Moores views, but his movie clearly showed me Bush is insincere and a complete idiot. Hes a spoon fed, redneck idiot. And I really LOVE his last speech. "In Tennesee theres an old saying, well at least I think its in Tennessee, I know its in Texas, its fool me once shame..... uh fool me once shame on... uhhhhh well you aint gonna fool me again..." I doubt he'll be re-elected... but we'll see come election time... assuming his Brother/Cousin/etc arent helping with the votes this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 YET, never have I heard anyone disprove anything from the movie. OK RCNSC, how about disproving 56 inaccuracies (and no, I haven't checked them, but they sound very similar to the Bowling for Columbine inaccuracies, a lot of which I did check): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RCNSC Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 jmortensen - Those are all labeled "deceit" which I view as the filmgoers fault for falling into. ALL of them have to do with Michael Moores NARRATION and the SEQUENCE of the footage. The actual FOOTAGE CAN NOT be argued against because its all real. If you were to take Michaels views out and see the clips of our literate and capable George W.... how would you feel? Do you believe Bush is an intelligent and sincere man and would you like to see him in office again? For those that havn't seen the movie... watch this clip. javascript:%20rs("videoWin","http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/clips/1808569540/1808579794/?http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=mf_frame&id=1808569540&mspid=1808579794&mfurl=http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=wmv-56-p.1276649-129580,wmv-100-p.1276650-129580,wmv-300-p.1276651-129580&p=movies&f=1808569540&.spid=1808579794&.dist=Lions Gate Films&type=c",737,503); Just copy and paste it into your browsers URL bar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzx0 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Who would be the perfect president? Well I've been on this forum for awhile, and so far I've seen the most votes for Mike Kelly or John Coffey, and Tim240z kinda has a Nader-esque spoiler role. I think I lean a little more towards Coffey (6 cylinder AND faster). I think I'd have to vote 240Z Turbo for president. This country needs an intelligent, resourceful, turbos akimbo president who isn't afraid to cut a freakin' hole in his hood. Other than that, I'll vote for whoever makes it easier/cheaper for me to get a Skyline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 jmortensen - Those are all labeled "deceit" which I view as the filmgoers fault for falling into. ALL of them have to do with Michael Moores NARRATION and the SEQUENCE of the footage. Here on planet Earth we call that LYING. He presents his movie as a DOCUMENTARY. You may find fault with the moviegoers for believing the movie as it is presented. I find fault with Moore for presenting it in a fallacious manner (as in not true, a lie, etc) and then calling it a documentary. Definition of documentary from dictionary.com: n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration. Do you believe Bush is an intelligent and sincere man and would you like to see him in office again? YES I would rather see Bush in office! I don't think Bush is as dumb as the media makes him out to be. Not MENSA material, but certainly not stupid. Kerry on the other hand is everything I don't want in a politician. A tax and spend democrat. There is nothing worse to my mind short of outright socialists or communists, which is really only a step to the left. You wanna talk sincerity, how about Kerry? Have you heard him talk about lowering gas prices? Did you know that he's voted to raise gas taxes 10 times as a Senator? Where's the sincerity? Is it possible that Kerry is not altruistic? Kerry's out shooting a gun for the media. I'm betting last time that happened he was up for re-election. Kerry might not get the eucharist because of his stance on abortion... oh no... probably the first eucharist he'd had in 6 years too! Somehow conservatives have gotten the label of greedy and democrats have avoided it. The truth of the matter is that big business runs the one side, and labor unions and lawyers runs the other side. They're both corrupt as hell. I think that's why I run so libertarian in my views. Take this crap out of the govt's hands, then they won't have the power to f it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 RCNSC- I have compiled the following quote from YOU. YOU said all of these things according to a Michael Moore mindset, and it's up to the reader to judge. I have cleverly arranged them to show you what deceit is all about. This is not intended to offend anyone, just show what is possible: It seems a lot of you guys on HybridZ know each other pretty well (first name basis) so I figured I should make myself known, seeing as I'm probably going to continue to spend a lot of time here. Ok, so let me introduce myself. My name is Ricky Nye and I am a spoon fed, redneck idiot. This is a friend of my dads. He is an awesome guy and he really cares about what he does. He is gay And I really LOVE him. Lately, I've really started getting my hands dirty. I'm 17 and I'm adament about finding a nasty bottom end knock. Prices.... Prices!!!!!! and PICS! Oh lord.. Heres the ricer coming out in me. So yea, I know I've stirred the waters a bit around here, and I'm sure I will in the future as well, but don't take anything I say too seriously, I am a complete idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil1934 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 When I see the "tax and spend Democrat" I see another talk radio listener looking to be told his opinion. Republicans far outspend, but it goes to the debt. Now they are talking of abolishing the IRS for a tax on spending. As a baby boomer with no retirement other than savings, I see they took 40% when I made it and now will take 40% when I spend it. My other big issue is health care. It was $8000 2 years ago, is now $11,000, and could be $20,000 in another 4 years. It's a big question mark that makes it impossible to decide when you can retire. I'm not pro either party, just looking for a candidate to address my issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Z Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Kerry on the other hand is everything I don't want in a politician. A tax and spend democrat. Yes, as you know spending is a sore spot with me as well. But if that's what you don't like, by all means give credit where credit is due. Our 'tax cut' came partly from a fiscally-reckless borrowing of $120 billion from social security last year, the biggest looting of SS in our history. To be fair Clinton did too, at 1/4 the rate and averaging about $35 billion a year. As for the 'spend' part of your statement, you fail to mention that Bush (hand in hand with our republican-led congress) is spending more money per year than any executive/legislative combo in history, and by a long-shot at that. There is no wiggle-room to argue otherwise, to the dismay of many traditional conservatives they've earned that distinction fair and square. No longer can a democratically controlled congress (as in Bush 41's case) share partial blame. If you really, truly are concerned with spending then this should be your biggest irk right now, not the possibilities of the 'tax and spend' democratic presidential hopeful, but the proven track record of our 'borrow and spend' encumbent. Your statement above may have been appropriate in the past, like when Ike balanced the budget 50 years ago. Current overspending is an embarasssment, IMO. The numbers don't lie, but they do make slogans like the one quoted above look shakey at best, and short-cut one's ability to "see the forest through the trees" at worst. BTW, I'm not politicing for Kerry as I'm not a democrat. I just grow weary of seeing the truth go out the window in lieu of fortune-cookie platitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToplessZ Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Well RCNSC this Quote: It seems a lot of you guys on HybridZ know each other pretty well (first name basis) so I figured I should make myself known, seeing as I'm probably going to continue to spend a lot of time here. Ok, so let me introduce myself. My name is Ricky Nye and I am a spoon fed, redneck idiot. This is a friend of my dads. He is an awesome guy and he really cares about what he does. He is gay And I really LOVE him. Lately, I've really started getting my hands dirty. I'm 17 and I'm adament about finding a nasty bottom end knock. Prices.... Prices!!!!!! and PICS! Oh lord.. Heres the ricer coming out in me. So yea, I know I've stirred the waters a bit around here, and I'm sure I will in the future as well, but don't take anything I say too seriously, I am a complete idiot. is funny as heck. Im voting for jmortenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluex_v1 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 The actual FOOTAGE CAN NOT be argued against because its all real. You spoke too soon: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20040801_1168.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RCNSC Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 RCNSC- I have compiled the following quote from YOU. YOU said all of these things according to a Michael Moore mindset' date=' and it's up to the reader to judge. I have cleverly arranged them to show you what deceit is all about. This is not intended to offend anyone, just show what is possible: It seems a lot of you guys on HybridZ know each other pretty well (first name basis) so I figured I should make myself known, seeing as I'm probably going to continue to spend a lot of time here. Ok, so let me introduce myself. My name is Ricky Nye and I am a spoon fed, redneck idiot. This is a friend of my dads. He is an awesome guy and he really cares about what he does. He is gay And I really LOVE him. Lately, I've really started getting my hands dirty. I'm 17 and I'm adament about finding a nasty bottom end knock. Prices.... Prices!!!!!! and PICS! Oh lord.. Heres the ricer coming out in me. So yea, I know I've stirred the waters a bit around here, and I'm sure I will in the future as well, but don't take anything I say too seriously, I am a complete idiot. Whatever man. I'll let ya have this as a win just for your efforts of sorting through many of my posts and doing all that editing. I know how I stand on Bush, and I have seen many republicans change their minds this summer (Hard thing to do in South Carolina) so I think I know where the votes are headed. A lot of these people voting for Kerry won't be voting for what Kerry IS, but what Bush ISN'T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RCNSC Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 BTW jmortensen - Those are all labeled "deceit" which I view as the filmgoers fault for falling into. ALL of them have to do with Michael Moores NARRATION and the SEQUENCE of the footage. Jmort - all you did was change the sequence, which I already meantioned earlier. The footage of Bush giving his speech and then teeing off... his last speech.... Bush sitting there for 7 minutes DOING NOTHING after hearing about the 9/11 attacks, those were unedited clips, so who can you blame for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 When I see the "tax and spend Democrat" I see another talk radio listener looking to be told his opinion. That is the last thing I am. I guess you don't read the Non-Tech Board political crap too often... Your statement above may have been appropriate in the past, like when Ike balanced the budget 50 years ago. Current overspending is an embarasssment, IMO. It's another case of not wanting to do the dirty work (or not being able to). Reagan wanted to cut spending, but the Congress wouldn't go along with it. I'm not sure what Bush is thinking. Maybe he realizes that he'll never get re-elected if he even mentions cutting back govt jobs and services. We wouldn't be in this predicament if it weren't for FDR though, I can tell you that. Well RCNSC this is funny as heck. Im voting for jmortenson I'm guessing that I would be an attractive candidate to all of about 5 people who live out in the boonies in Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Now Now John, I'd vote for you... Hell I'd even vote for 17 year old RCNSC.... OVER KERRY! I kill me! Don't forget to tip your waitress and bartender! Mike 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RCNSC Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 How come my post got no reply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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