Mikelly Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1074999&forum_id=23 Fortunately none of these guys was injured and they were ALL instructors... However, Stupidity abounds at times even during HPDEs... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Damn....boy and their toys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synlubes Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Money does not make a man. . . or good drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB26powered74zcar Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 WOW.... $448,000 toy. Imagine how he felt after taking a lick like that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I used to be Mr. HPDE and Mr. OpenTrack. Now that I'm doing more wheel-to-wheel racing I realize how dangerous these types of events are. Much more dangerous then the wheel-to-wheel stuff I'm doing with SCCA IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SeanyD300zxT Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 there was a good point that sticks out in my mind..you don't go skiing without expecting to fall....you don't race without a crash... but pushing your limits and leaping beyond your limits are two different things. A simple spin, the backend stepping out a little too much, over correcting...small indications that you're doing something wrong... smashing into a tire barrier, unsafely re entering the track..ignoring officials....your limits...were 100 ft the other way. I race small, oval dirt tracks. low budget racing. Safe, fun, and more wheel to wheel than you'll ever see anywhere else. If you push your limits to the extent the guys in the wall did...you're taking out a good 10 cars with you..even if it's just practice. you don't ski without a fall you don't race without a wreck, I"d just personally rather it be a circumstance that was less than avoidable, then blowing off track at full speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 John C, you're living my dream... My goal for now is to get the Zcar done, since I've got so much money and time invested. I'll drive it this year and most of next year while I'm getting back up to speed and once I'm doing enough solo seat time in the advanced group and invites to seat time events, I'll get my provisional and buy a race car. I'm already planning to upgrade my trailer this summer to an enclosed unit. I also plan to buy something to race similar to yours. I recognize the dangers, and I've been asked to move UP in speed groups, and have declined because I'm not SAFE in those faster groups, or at least don't feel as safe. So I like to think I'm grounded and use good judgement, but its the others that scare me... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 In my two trips to VIR, I've been pretty surprised by how much stuff there is to hit there if you go off. It's a nice facility and a lot of fun to drive, but the penalty for screwing up can be pretty high. CMP and Roebling both have a lot more runoff room. Regarding the Carrera GT, there was a fellow with one at a CMP track event who hit a cat while out cruising one day. The cat did $22,000 damage to the grill. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Turn 10 will bite you. I've seen lots of bent metal and broken plastic at that spot. I ALWAYS dial it back going thru that turn. Probably get rear ended there one day. Can't win. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 the faster the car is the faster your reactions have to be to attempt to catch the spin.being able to afford a fast car does not exempt you from the laws of physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted May 1, 2005 Share Posted May 1, 2005 the faster the car is the faster your reactions have to be to attempt to catch the spin. Actually, that's not entirely true. What affects the rate of spin (from slow to snap) is the vehicle's rate of yaw. A MR2 is easier to get spinning and faster to spin then a Miata because of the polar moment (yaw intertia). Now, where the statement is true is that your spin at 100mph needs a lot more track width to catch and correct then a spin at 50mph. Faster hands does help but a slower reacting car (higher yaw intertia) helps as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleachZee Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 They start talking about colors later on... check out page four. Yellow 240Z in background... probably trying to lap the vetts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted May 3, 2005 Author Share Posted May 3, 2005 Uh, that Z is Mark Icards (Mark here on HybridZ) and those other guys are advanced/ instructors... They're all haulin' azz... Don't get me wrong. That yellow Z was the talk of the paddock at the February event at VIR! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Yellow 240Z in background... probably trying to lap the vetts. I got a C note on Icard. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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