Clifton Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Might help some that are looking at buying. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2007/06/WidebandShootout/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X64v Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Great link. So it looks like the innovate kits that most of us have been using were the right choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleaf Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Thanks for the link. I was gonna go innovate anyway but It's always good to see a comparison like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigenOut-S30 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Great find. I currently use the AEM wideband and really like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop N Wood Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 I was going to buy a innovate wideband for my birthday but was choking on the cost. Looks to be money well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 I was going to buy a innovate wideband for my birthday but was choking on the cost. Looks to be money well spent. Note that the Innovate wideband that was tested was the XD-16. Not sure about this particular sub-forum, but many people on hybrid (including myself) use the LM-1, which isn't exactly the same. I think the main difference aside from the display is that the LM-1 combines the signal ground for the analog output with the heater circuit, which causes undesirable voltage shifts if you are using the LM-1 analog out as your EGO input. This can be remedied with a simple external differential amplifier buffer circuit, but it's just something to be aware of if you are buying new or currently have the LM-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 i been running the innovate xd16 kit (lc1 controller ,xd1 gauge) for over a year -i like it.i mounted the gauge on double stick velcro between the tach and speedo.the gauge always reads just what the megatune reads.now i get reminded how much i need to tune this thing-but at least it runs at 14.2-14.4 on the freeway and it gets good mpg.the lc-1 is running my ms on autotune function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted June 29, 2007 Administrators Share Posted June 29, 2007 Here’s my $.02 Everything I’ve heard and read confirms the LM-1 is the most consistent, accurate, lighting quick response wideband tuning aid, especially for the money. We are using the LM-1 and the Innovate RPM converter for all of our tuning and data logging. Personally, I struggled a little bit with the Logworks data logging software, (used it on the Race car for dialing in the MSnS-EDIS) but Ron Tyler has been able to use it quite easily and whenever the discussion comes up about the LM-1, he has said nothing but praise for its capabilities, especially the data logging. I place a lot of value in the LM-1s lightning quick response time, even the super subtle misfires registered with the LM-1 right as it happened. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm1.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOZ UP Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 in for the innovate leg hump. i have an lc-1. my friend has an lc-1. Although he managed to blow up his controller, they sent him another one no questions asked. it's like the cheapest one, too. so awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoohaa Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 I've got a JAW wideband reader on the way. It's a DIY kit that offers datalogging and programmable outputs. $45 FTW! Total cost comes out to around $110 for me for the reader, a new connector, and the new sensor. http://www.14point7.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 It would've been nice if they had included which type of sensor each box used. I have an older FJO that uses the NGK sensor and it proved to be quite durable. Talking to guys using the AEM with the Bosche sensor I was told that it died pretty quickly when exposed to leaded gas - not so my NGK. It was pretty darned accurate when compared with other boxes but pretty dirt simple - just an analog output and a display - no logging etc. which I did via the EMS. Looks like W/Bs have really advanced though, the Innovative boxes look really nice! I think having the datalogging on the W/B would be pretty nice. Interesting that others have run into the issues with the ground that I saw on the FJO. Lots of boxes out there don't have a dedicated ground that can be shared with the EMS sensor ground. Doing something as simple as turning on your headlights can cause shifts in A/F reading! P.S. I'd be REAL careful about budget W/B. I actually had and built one of the DIY boxes but in the end didn't trust my motor with it. Tests like this one are a BIG help and I appreciate that they took the trouble to use calibration gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifton Posted June 30, 2007 Author Share Posted June 30, 2007 It would've been nice if they had included which type of sensor each box used. It says they all used the LSU4 sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop N Wood Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Just got an $800 spot award at work, so the LM1 order goes out this week. Good to know about grounds, but I don't think the Holley double pumper will care. Gonna be an odd duck. A carb'd LS2 crate motor with a wideband, data logging O2. Now all I need to do is find time to work on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icewtr Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Well nice test .. glad to see someone did something like that .. to bad i already have one ..lol but hey at least mine came in 2nd ..lol but i do have datalogging as they state it does not ...but i just wired mine into the computer and it picks it up in the lap top with anything else i monitor .. but still cool test .. and the only real way to know what way to go on tuning your car..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 It says they all used the LSU4 sensor. Ouch, missed that. I know the guys using the AEM sensor bitched about lifespan I'd certainly be looking for one that can be recalibrated in free air! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toki Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I saw the title of this thread and came to say exactly what the study shows: AFX sucks, waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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