JMortensen Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Does anyone have a picture of the bottom side of a current Ground Control camber plate? I know they are supposed to be vastly improved over my old style plate and I'm wondering what the difference is exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Do you know when they changed them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxsleeper Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Does anyone have a picture of the bottom side of a current Ground Control camber plate? I know they are supposed to be vastly improved over my old style plate and I'm wondering what the difference is exactly. Here ya' go Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxsleeper Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 and a couple more. BTW, they work well on the rear. Dang cage got in the way of install though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 So it looks kind of similar to the G Machine TC rod joint where there is a ball and socket type deal. Is one piece aluminum and the other steel though? That seems like it would wear fast... EDIT--Forrest, they changed them years ago. Maybe 5 or more... ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxsleeper Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The upper perch contains a pressed on bearing and nestles into the camfer of the bottom of the camber plate. The gold appearing part of the upper perch is the bearing. IE minimal wear on the camber plate as a result of the bearing. Should also allow some very minor articulation of the upper perch. You can also see the captured spherical in the plate. You will still need to grind on the nuts a little if you use Bilsteins. The Bilstein larger shaft diameter requires a few minutes with the grinder to get the nut to clear the top of the plate and be torqued on the spherical, not the plates. All in all, really nice pieces. Cutting/grinding/etc. of the tower top is still a PITA. I had a friend make some aluminum plates to mount on top of the towers to hide the evidence . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I had a friend make some aluminum plates to mount on top of the towers to hide the evidence . Good idea. Do you have any pics of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam280Z Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Forrest, We bought ours March of '04. Looks like we got the old style. However, judging from the photos, it looks like it *may* be possible to replace the bearing in the spring perch with the newer style. Have to check with GC. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 The upper perch contains a pressed on bearing and nestles into the camfer of the bottom of the camber plate. The gold appearing part of the upper perch is the bearing. IE minimal wear on the camber plate as a result of the bearing. Should also allow some very minor articulation of the upper perch. This is the main benefit as I understand it between the new version and the old version. When the articulation occurs, it is the gold bearing on the dome shaped bottom of the camber plate, so that is aluminum on steel. I'm just wondering if that causes issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnusx1 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Are they using a self-aligning bearing style? These types of bearings allow articulation and should be used here if a ball-socket joint is not in use. In a self-aligning bearing, the inner race can rotate a bit, perpendicular to the axis of the bearing. Note the curve inside the outer race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube80z Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 This is the main benefit as I understand it between the new version and the old version. When the articulation occurs, it is the gold bearing on the dome shaped bottom of the camber plate, so that is aluminum on steel. I'm just wondering if that causes issues. Mine had have about a year of hard use and all I can see is a little of the anodizing wearing off. So far have been very happy with these. I take them apart a few times a year and clean the surface and put in some new grease. It it would help I can send you some close up pics but it will take a bit for me to find all the parts. The bottom of the plate is a hemisphere and the there's a steel washer with a similar curve in it that rides on the camber plate. A torrington bearing is fitted under this. The way these are built the spring loads go into the plate and the spherical takes the shock loads. And when you turn the bearings allow everything to move. Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 That's OK, I think I get the picture now. I just hadn't actually seen what makes them different. I'm thinking I'll run what I've got and start rubbing nickels together for a new set of plates down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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